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posted by Fnord666 on Monday March 05 2018, @11:01AM   Printer-friendly
from the another-list dept.

Eleven U.S. states have pending animal abuse registry legislation:

Son of Sam, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer and the Columbine High School shooters are among the infamous criminals who had a history of hurting animals before they went on to target humans, a tendency that's part of what's behind a movement to create public online registries of known animal abusers.

New York is among 11 states with animal abuse registry bills pending in their legislatures, following Tennessee, which started its in 2016 along with a growing number of municipalities in recent years, including New York City, and the counties that include Chicago and Tampa, Florida.

"Animal abuse is a bridge crime," said the sponsor of New York's bill, Republican state Sen. Jim Tedisco, who noted that Nikolas Cruz, accused of killing 17 people in the Parkland, Florida, high school shooting on Feb. 14, reportedly also had a history of shooting small animals.

While the main goal of collecting names of convicted animal abusers is to prevent them from being able to adopt or purchase other animals, registry backers say such lists could also be a way to raise red flags about people who may commit other violent crimes ranging from domestic violence to mass shootings. But some animal welfare advocates, mostly notably the ASPCA, question how effective they can really be.

[Ed's Comment - Original link unreliable, so I have added additional links]
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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday March 05 2018, @05:16PM (5 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 05 2018, @05:16PM (#648045) Journal

    What we really need in this country is a federal police force that polices the state and especially local cops,

    Be careful what you wish for. Himmler had something similar to what you're asking for. The SS did a lot of things, and policing the police was one of their lesser known duties.

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  • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday March 05 2018, @06:05PM (4 children)

    by Grishnakh (2831) on Monday March 05 2018, @06:05PM (#648072)

    The Nazis also had trains that worked pretty well and were on time. Is that a bad thing too?

    The Nazis also were proponents of making inexpensive cars that people could afford. Should we not have those?

    The Nazis were proponents of spending on science and tech research. Should we stop all of that?

    The Nazis preferred attractive uniforms. Should we consciously avoid that too, and make sure all our uniforms are as ugly as possible?

    The Nazis did all kinds of things. I'm quite sure many other countries do have national-level police who are there as a check on the local police powers and to make sure they're following the laws and not corrupt.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday March 05 2018, @06:28PM (2 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 05 2018, @06:28PM (#648082) Journal

      Well, the police have been known to make people disappear, without a trace. Or, if the bodies are somehow found, suicide is the accepted explanation. Think about the SS. They could make the police dissapear. Mayors. Generals. Anyone, in fact. Having a super police force could well have unintended consequences.

      • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday March 05 2018, @08:47PM (1 child)

        by Grishnakh (2831) on Monday March 05 2018, @08:47PM (#648159)

        Again, I'm pretty sure every advanced nation on the planet has something like this, and they don't seem to have any real problems with disappearances, or even excessively-high suicides. Just look at Norway for instance.

        Not having this has clear consequences that there's variable or even complete lack of rule of law depending on your locality. You can't have a functional republic that has "rule of law" if the people in some little town are basically living under a dictator who has extra-legal powers and the higher levels of government have little recourse to deal with him, and every town is potentially like this to some degree.

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 05 2018, @09:35PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 05 2018, @09:35PM (#648199)

          You can't have a functional republic that has "rule of law" if the people in some little town are basically living under a dictator who has extra-legal powers and the higher levels of government have little recourse to deal with him, and every town is potentially like this to some degree.

          It's helpful if you have access to explosives like dynamite to deal with tyrants inside their bunkers. [jpfo.org]

          You can even fight back and win against the federal government, both with weapons on a potential battlefield [youtube.com], and also in federal [theguardian.com] courtrooms [katu.com] (though some of the observant among us might be inclined to state that 'the process is the punishment').

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 06 2018, @05:22AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 06 2018, @05:22AM (#648372)

      The Nazis also had trains that worked pretty well and were on time. Is that a bad thing too?

      This white supremacist meme needs to die. Like in a fire. Newsflash: I lived for a few years in Germany and I can tell you that the trains were running on time long after the Nazis were gone. As in fifty years after they were gone. And I'm willing to bet, dollars to donuts, that the trains were running on time long before the Nazis ever arrived on the scene.

      The Nazis also were proponents of making inexpensive cars that people could afford. Should we not have those?

      Another newsflash: Henry Ford had this idea at least several years before the Nazis showed up.

      The Nazis were proponents of spending on science and tech research. Should we stop all of that?

      They also had a nasty habit of excluding Jews from University. It had a debilitating impact on their science and tech research. Just so you know.

      The Nazis did all kinds of things. I'm quite sure many other countries do have national-level police who are there as a check on the local police powers and to make sure they're following the laws and not corrupt.

      FYI, in the USA the DoJ traditionally has the role of stepping in as a check on local police abuses. Most of the cases I am familiar with involve evidence of civil rights violations by state and/or local police. Just so you know.

      I do hope this clarifies things a bit for you.