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posted by janrinok on Monday March 05 2018, @05:59PM   Printer-friendly
from the more-you-tighten-your-grip dept.

Turkey, positioned geopgraphically on the edge of Europe and politically inside of NATO, has been heading in a troubling direction for some time in regards to speech. Crackdowns on dissent and even open speech are increasing and Internet communications are the specific focus of some of the recent actions. Coming up is legislation intended to curb the Internet (WWW) in ways similar to how television and radio have already been limited:

Having already brought Turkey's mainstream media to heel, and made considerable headway in rolling back Turkish democracy, the government of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has set its sights on a seemingly innocuous target: a satellite television preacher named Adnan Oktar.

[...] "It is just about control," said Kerem Altiparmak, a human rights and media lawyer. "Considering what has been happening in Turkey, I have no doubt this is a hegemonic power, controlling newspapers, TV and the judiciary, that is now out to control the [I]nternet sector."

All the restrictions are made that much easier through increased use of and dependence on centralized services like Facebook by the remaining opposition.

Source : Erdogan's Next Target as He Restricts Turkey's Democracy: The Internet


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by archfeld on Monday March 05 2018, @07:42PM (11 children)

    by archfeld (4650) <treboreel@live.com> on Monday March 05 2018, @07:42PM (#648114) Journal

    Isn't it about time that we in the so-called west stop supporting the lowest common denominator and start demanding more from our leaders, stop fomenting rebellion to tear down those we oppose and start devoting our time, energy and money to supporting that and those whose ideals we support. Why do we spend more arming radicals that oppose everything we stand for rather than feeding and educating our own and those places that want and need the same. I guess that sort of thing has never actually existed in the history of the world, but there can always be a first...

    https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnlennon/imagine.html [azlyrics.com]

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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by takyon on Monday March 05 2018, @07:59PM (10 children)

    by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Monday March 05 2018, @07:59PM (#648126) Journal

    Isn't it about time we eliminate all religions, national borders, property rights, and hunger? Just be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes. You may say I'm a dreamer, but there can always be a first...

    https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnlennon/imagine.html [azlyrics.com]

    Also I want my universal basic income to come with a separate LSD stipend.

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Monday March 05 2018, @08:36PM (3 children)

      by Grishnakh (2831) on Monday March 05 2018, @08:36PM (#648155)

      I don't think he was advocating eliminating national borders and property rights at all, but instead having a country's government worry first about its own people (eliminating hunger for instance) and not arming rebel groups just because we don't like the people they're rebelling against, and instead only helping and allying with people who we really do share common values. I feel like a Trumpist for saying this, but it does make sense to me. Some say we need to have "strange bedfellows" because of "realpolitik", but we tried that with Afghanistan and Iraq in the 80s and look where it got us. If we're going to help anyone in the mideast, it really seems like the Kurds are the best ones, with values closest to our own (relatively secular, interested in western-style democracy, etc.).

      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday March 05 2018, @09:10PM

        by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Monday March 05 2018, @09:10PM (#648178) Journal

        Yeah I was mostly going by the linked song lyrics.

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      • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday March 06 2018, @12:07AM

        I don't think he was advocating eliminating national borders and property rights at all,

        Sorry Grishnakh, but I *like* that song, and know the lyrics:

        "Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do
        Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too
        Imagine all the people living life in peace"

        "Imagine no possessions, I wonder if you can.
        No need for greed or hunger, a brotherhood of man.
        Imagine all the people, sharing all the world"

        What's more, John Lennon himself said [wikipedia.org]:

        "'Imagine', which says: 'Imagine that there was no more religion, no more country, no more politics,' is virtually the Communist Manifesto, even though I'm not particularly a Communist and I do not belong to any movement."[6] /blockquote

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      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 06 2018, @08:28AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 06 2018, @08:28AM (#648418)

        I feel like a Trumpist for saying this, but it does make sense to me. Some say we need to have "strange bedfellows" because of "realpolitik", but we tried that with Afghanistan and Iraq in the 80s and look where it got us. If we're going to help anyone in the mideast, it really seems like the Kurds are the best ones, with values closest to our own

        Except Turkey is like to kill Kurds and support Jihadists. Like Pakistan, for example, which also likes to sponsor Taliban and related idiots.

        This is not "realpolitik". This is *reality*. US once tended to at least put a veneer of "human rights" in what it did. But now, you have Trump praising dictators instead and wanting to break up EU because it's too powerful and can't be swept under the rug. With dictators, you can sway them by just talking to them. With institutions like EU, you have to have "rules" and "regulations" which actually don't like dictators.

        As for Afghanistan and Iraq? Is that it? How about Saudi Arabia? Panama, Chile, Guatemala? Heck, rest of South America. How about Iran? How about Vietnam? Cambodia? Israel? The list is loooong. And US has its fingers everywhere.

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday March 05 2018, @11:14PM (4 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 05 2018, @11:14PM (#648249) Journal

      Also I want my universal basic income to come with a separate LSD stipend

      Who spoke of LSD? As per the thread title, you can only dream of LCD-s.

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      • (Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Tuesday March 06 2018, @12:47AM (3 children)

        by insanumingenium (4824) on Tuesday March 06 2018, @12:47AM (#648275) Journal

        Isn't that what we are doing on here? Dreaming while staring at LCDs?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 06 2018, @01:04AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 06 2018, @01:04AM (#648277)

          Are you sure he's not dreaming about starring as an LCD in some drama?

        • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Tuesday March 06 2018, @01:27AM (1 child)

          by Grishnakh (2831) on Tuesday March 06 2018, @01:27AM (#648285)

          Not everyone: some people might be staring at AMOLEDs.

          And who knows, there could be some old codger staring at a CRT.

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday March 06 2018, @07:42AM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 06 2018, @07:42AM (#648408) Journal

            And who knows, there could be some old codger staring at a CRT.

            Yeah, the amber ones where gorgeous. I could stare at the blinking caret for ages.
            Too bad they replaced them with the green phosphorus ones.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by archfeld on Tuesday March 06 2018, @06:32PM

      by archfeld (4650) <treboreel@live.com> on Tuesday March 06 2018, @06:32PM (#648603) Journal

      If I could have a UBI, I'd probably go into business growing awesome pot and puttering about with mushrooms. LSD was always too persistent for my tastes. This corporate IT shit has really grown stale. A boss looking for just the bare minimum in operability and the merest attempt at security really chaps my hide.

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