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FBI agents paid employees in Best Buy's Geek Squad unit to act as informants, documents published Tuesday reveal.
Agents paid managers in the retailer's device repair unit to pass along information about illegal content discovered on customers' devices, according to documents posted online by the Electronic Frontier Foundation. The digital rights group sued the FBI for the documents last year after the bureau denied a Freedom of Information Act request.
The EFF filed the lawsuit to learn the extent to which the agency trains and directs Best Buy Geek Squad employees to conduct warrantless searches of customers' devices during maintenance. The EFF said it was concerned that use of repair technicians to root out evidence of criminal behavior circumvents people's constitutional rights.
[...] Another document shows the FBI approved a $500 payment to a "confidential human source" whose name was redacted. The EFF said the payment appears to be one of many connected to the prosecution of Mark Rettenmaier, a Southern California doctor accused of possessing child pornography after he sent in his computer to Best Buy for repairs.
The EFF said the documents detail investigation procedures in which Geek Squad employees would contact the FBI after finding what they believed to be child pornography on a customer's device.
The EFF said an FBI agent would examine the device to determine whether there was illegal content present, and if so, seize the device and send it to the FBI field office closest to where the customer lived. Agents would then investigate further, and in some cases try to obtain a warrant to search the device.
Best Buy said last year that three of the four employees who may have received payment from the FBI are no longer employed by the company. The fourth was reprimanded and reassigned.
Previously: Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI
FBI Used Best Buy's Geek Squad To Increase Secret Public Surveillance
EFF Sues FBI to Obtain Records About Geek Squad/Best Buy Surveillance
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(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday March 08 2018, @02:24AM (5 children)
Damn, Dawg!
If I had meth in my car, NO I wouldn't take it to the mechanic 'cause meth is, you know, illegal!
If my wallet had info on where I buried the bodies, NO I wouldn't leave it in a locker 'cause, you know, killing people is illegal!
How many brains does it take, MORON!
And as someone else already pointed out, children are the victims, pedophiles are the asshats who hurt them or benefit from them being hurt.
Fuck, You are stupid.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by Roger Murdock on Thursday March 08 2018, @03:22AM (1 child)
You think they're only rifling through computers that have that kind of content on them? How do they know that in advance? You didn't really think this through did you?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Gaaark on Thursday March 08 2018, @10:40AM
Sigh!
Yes I did think it through...
...if you are doing something illegal, why would you let others see you do it?
Would you kill someone and then give all the evidence incriminating you to someone you don't know? No: that would be stupid!
This has nothing to do with "they shouldn't be allowed to do that": it has everything to do with "damn, you is dumb, bro!"
That said, no: warrantless searches should be illegal
That said, yes: stupid is stupid.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 08 2018, @05:08AM (2 children)
Hope you have verifiable licenses for every bit of music, video, and software on your drive. I really hope you didn't piss off some tech who recognizes you and knows how to frame you or friends / family. Barring strictly illegal content I do hope your various data isn't sold / traded on the black market, and that you don't have any compromising photos around.
It is called the slippery slope for a reason. While it is very easy to mount an argument against child porn, the powers you grant and the abuses you enable must be taken into account. Personally I like court granted warrants in order to violate civil privacy.
By "victims" I was referring to the crime of violating civil liberties. If a tech finds illegal content while performing a requested task then I'm pretty sure that is legally "discovered" and should be reported. Going on fishing expeditions should NOT be ok.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Ben Franklin
and another quote I can't recall / find right now "Standing up for freedom means occasionally you must stand up for scoundrels."
So you're free to spew some stupid knee-jerk reactionary bullshit, but reacting before thinking is 100% what will enable true fascism to take over the world. Getting neighborhood informants to squeal on hiding Jews was a favored tactic of the Nazis. So which path do you think is preferable? Do you truly want to trade the essential liberties of everyone, just to slightly increase the chance of finding real criminals? Don't forget these programs enable criminal abuses of power, so you might not even be getting much positive value anyway.
Fuck, YOU are stupid and will drag us all to hell.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday March 08 2018, @10:34AM
Sigh.
Who's stupid?
If you are a pedophile and you take your computer to best buy, YOU are stupid.
I'm not saying it's right to do warrantless searches, I'm saying it's stupid to be so stupid!
Stupid is taking your computer ANYWHERE with CP on it: that's like going into a police station and emptying your pockets of all your child porn pictures.
Stupid.
It has NOTHING to do with rights...it has EVERYTHING to do with "Are you THAT FUCKING STUPID?!?"
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(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday March 08 2018, @09:12PM
No. Warrants protect an individual from the government discovering evidence without due process. Warrants do not protect someone else from informing the government they've discovered illegal activity going on, and the government using that as immediate probable cause to investigate without a warrant. So get "legal" out of your head - you are asking if such behavior is moral or not, not legal.
If you're going to complain about the use of paid informants you are several decades, if not centuries, late. All police, everywhere, have been using informants for about as long as there has been policing. And the use of informants is constitutional. Might as well rage about how loud the ocean is.
You have no idea how the images were discovered - it may be perfectly legitimate for a technician to open your pictures folder to discover if your filesystem is working, or open a folder with an unknown, obscure label to see if the contents are legitimate or a virus. But if there's any breach of ethics here, it is on the part of Best Buy technicians looking where they shouldn't. Not because they reported what they found.
Godwinizing this does not win your argument at all because what the Nazis were doing was morally wrong. Prosecuting child pornography is not. Next.
Generally, yes, if you are engaging in illegal behavior of ANY type, a third party has every right (if not a moral obligation) to report that activity.
If you don't want your computer store technician snooping on your system, protect it such that they cannot do that. Or select a place that promises they won't look, I suppose.
Do I like that government officials paid them? No. I'd much prefer they do so out of a sense of civil obligation. And yes, I am concerned that this could be on a slippery slope. But not enough so to agree with you.
Or let's take another tack: You see a pervy 60 year old sodomizing a child in public. Do you just go on your way, "Oh, I don't want to be a narc so I'll just look the other way!" Or do you call the cops? If you do not call them you are morally bankrupt. If you did call, why is that any different from what the technician did?
Now, if the police offered a reward for reporting, does that change things? It might for you. It gives me pause. But your way drags us to hell more quickly IMVHO.
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