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posted by janrinok on Sunday March 11 2018, @01:42AM   Printer-friendly
from the life-goes-on dept.

The renamed TPP, the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership has been signed by 11 countries. https://globalnews.ca/news/4069924/tpp-trans-pacific-partnership-signing-canada/

Thankfully, Trump's withdrawal from the TPP allowed the Canadian people to persuade their government to push for removal of most of the contentious IP obligations that the US demanded, http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2017/11/rethinking-ip-in-the-tpp/. America is considering rejoining, https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/us/politics/mnuchin-tpp-trans-pacific-partnership-trump.html

The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) will reduce tariffs in countries that together amount to more than 13 per cent of the global economy – a total of $10 trillion. With the United States, it would have represented 40 per cent.

Even without the United States, the deal will span a market of nearly 500 million people, making it one of the globe's three largest trade agreements, according to Chilean and Canadian trade statistics.

[...] Trump has also threatened to dump the North American Free Trade Agreement unless the other two members of the pact, Canada and Mexico, agree to provisions that Trump says would boost U.S. manufacturing and employment. He argues that the 1994 accord has caused the migration of jobs and factories southward to lower-cost Mexico.

[...] The 11 member countries are Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by SubiculumHammer on Sunday March 11 2018, @05:25AM (7 children)

    by SubiculumHammer (5191) on Sunday March 11 2018, @05:25AM (#650781)

    geopolitically it made sense, but the problem was that we'd give up too much that makes us American by signing it.

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  • (Score: 3, Disagree) by ilPapa on Sunday March 11 2018, @05:32AM (6 children)

    by ilPapa (2366) on Sunday March 11 2018, @05:32AM (#650783) Journal

    we'd give up too much that makes us American

    Of all the cockamamie ways that humans find to separate themselves from one another - language, religion, sports teams, race - none may be as completely idiotic as "national identity".

    There is no place on Earth that nationalism cannot make worse.

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    • (Score: 1, Disagree) by captain normal on Sunday March 11 2018, @06:27AM (5 children)

      by captain normal (2205) on Sunday March 11 2018, @06:27AM (#650796)

      Yep...borders only exist in the minds of people straining to preserve their personal fiefdoms. If you look at satellite photos of the planet, you see no borders (except for a few heavily armed places). Borders and walls are not to keep people out, but to keep enslaved people in.

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      • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday March 11 2018, @07:47AM

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Sunday March 11 2018, @07:47AM (#650825) Homepage Journal

        China, that's a great example. Don't you love what they've done in China? The Great Wall of China, built 2,000 years ago, is 13,000 miles long, folks. They say you can see it from space, right? You can't see it from space. Maybe if you have tremendous eyesight. But you can see it with satellite, you absolutely can. Let me tell you, it's so beautiful on the satellite. Like a long, winding river. But stone. And @FLOTUS [twitter.com] visited it, she looked absolutely stunning. As she always does, right? Her job is to look amazing and she does an amazing job at that.

        They didn't have tractors, they didn't have cranes, they didn't have excavation equipment. We need 1,000 miles and we have all the materials, we can do that so beautiful. This will be a wall with a big, very beautiful door because we want the legals to come back into the country. Not too many, we have too many legals right now. We want people of talent. We have a lot of good people, they’ve been here and they’ve done a good job. It’s a tough situation and in some cases they haven’t been good people, and there have been some problems. The good ones we’ll expedite.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 11 2018, @12:49PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 11 2018, @12:49PM (#650902)

        Borders and walls are not to keep people out, but to keep enslaved people in.

        No, borders are to keep people out. It's starts with people who violate your personal space, extends to your private space (home, small holding) and from their to bigger boundaries such as national borders. Only dysfunctional authoritarian (typically socialist) states employ borders need to "keep enslaved people in".

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 11 2018, @04:54PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 11 2018, @04:54PM (#650959)

        Borders exist because trying to govern an entire planet of people with differing cultures, problems and viewpoints has yet to become practical. We'll probably get their some day when it's practical to travel between any two places on the planet in a couple hours, but we're not there yet.

        Just look at how much trouble there is in most of the world with corruption and with local officials doing things that directly contradict what the national leaders are trying to accomplish. Or in places like the US and China where the main security threats are domestic terrorists rather than some foreign state.

        Not to mention how hard it's been in the US to pass even moderate gun control regulations like universal background checks even with the overwhelming support of the voters. And yet all the other developed countries have far more regulation on firearms than we do.

      • (Score: 2) by tibman on Sunday March 11 2018, @06:18PM (1 child)

        by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 11 2018, @06:18PM (#650994)

        hah! Yup, can't see the borders from space. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uLuecz--GXg/Va147uuAISI/AAAAAAAAeSE/Rz0ahAQ1Hd8/s640/korea%2Bnight%2Bno%2Blights.jpg [blogspot.com]
        There is a country between the two blobs of lights.

        And if you think the southern blob of lights has a northern border to enslave it's own people then you are delusional.

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        • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Monday March 12 2018, @11:21AM

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Monday March 12 2018, @11:21AM (#651293) Homepage Journal

          South Korea, they built the beautiful Concrete Wall on their Border. And it keeps the North Koreans out very well. They're at war, but it's a lot like peace. Because of the wall. And maybe they won't need the Concrete Wall much longer. Because of me!