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posted by janrinok on Sunday March 11 2018, @10:45PM   Printer-friendly
from the justice dept.

RawStory, originally from Agence France-Presse.

Eight members of a German far-right group were sentenced to jail Wednesday on terrorism and attempted murder charges for a series of explosives attacks targeting refugees and anti-fascist activists.

Based in Germany's ex-communist east, the so-called "Freital group" had sought to create "a climate of fear" at the height of Germany's refugee and migrant influx in 2015, the court was told.

Its leaders Timo Schulz and Patrick Festing were sentenced to 10 and nine-and-a-half years prison respectively. The other six received custodial terms of between four and eight-and-a-half years.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @12:10AM (38 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @12:10AM (#651125)

    Eight members of a German far-right group were sentenced to jail Wednesday on terrorism and attempted murder charges for a series of explosives attacks targeting refugees and anti-fascist activists.

    Murder, explosions and violence are no more acceptable from the far-right any more than from the refugees or left wing "activists". Looking forward to collusion charges from people that support and facilitate either faction, globalist world "leaders" included.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Gaaark on Monday March 12 2018, @02:11AM (13 children)

    by Gaaark (41) on Monday March 12 2018, @02:11AM (#651169) Journal

    Amen brother!

    Yes, there are bad refugees, but there are bad people everywhere. Violent people are bad people.

    Stop the violence.

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    --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
    • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @03:46AM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @03:46AM (#651189)

      > Yes, there are bad refugees, but there are bad people everywhere. Violent people are bad people.

      Why are you mistaking them for refugees? Very few actually came via UN refugee centers. The rest are colonists coming to settle the unclaimed Europe in the name of Islam, just like they have done since the 7th century. It was only with the defeat of the Ottoman Empire that there has been some temporary respite. In those few short decdes, you all decided to burn your history books, even today., and ignore what goes on and has gone on in Europe or anywhere else under atrack from Islam.

      http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1990/10/marr.html [multinationalmonitor.org]

      https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/cline/papua/transmigration.htm [utexas.edu]

      http://lnweb90.worldbank.org/oed/oeddoclib.nsf/DocUNIDViewForJavaSearch/777331DDD0B6239C852567F5005CE5E2 [worldbank.org]

      What on Earth do you have against the indigenous European ppulation? Times are modern so the Nations have the monopoly on legal violence but to deny all defense is to promote pure genocide.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @05:08AM (7 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 12 2018, @05:08AM (#651204) Journal
        People wanting to live in your country is not genocide, an Islamic invasion, or an Indonesian transmigration policy. I think what is most ridiculous about the alt-right position on Islamic immigration is the over-the-top hysteria. Cultural assimilation will work even on Islamic cooties. Just give it time.

        What I think is the actual driving force for the political side of immigration is the demographics of an aging European population. The leaders are looking at that and thinking "We can't afford a welfare state on that." Importing the young workers that Europe is running out of, makes a natural sense.
        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @08:37AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @08:37AM (#651247)

          Cultural assimilation??? Seriously??? You need to study history.

          All over the world, Islam spreads, wiping out the previous culture and frequently wiping out the people who practiced it.

          I find it amazing that you would suggest otherwise. Why do you cling to this false hope? One might as well imagine, in 1938, that really there is some way to peacefully coexist with Hitler. Are you so afraid of fighting that you'll ignore your impending doom?

          • (Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Monday March 12 2018, @10:23AM (2 children)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 12 2018, @10:23AM (#651283) Journal

            Cultural assimilation??? Seriously??? You need to study history.

            Germany has Turkish and Kurdish immigration since the '60-ies [wikipedia.org].
            Still they have one of the largest consumption of beer per capita [wikipedia.org] in the entire world - if this means they were "wiped out by Islam", it has to be quite a peculiar type of Islam that wiped them out.

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @08:47PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 12 2018, @08:47PM (#651520) Journal

            Cultural assimilation??? Seriously??? You need to study history.

            Back at you on that. For example, the Ottomans had been running southeast Europe for quite a while. They never got rid of the heavy Christian presence.

            I find it amazing that you would suggest otherwise. Why do you cling to this false hope? One might as well imagine, in 1938, that really there is some way to peacefully coexist with Hitler. Are you so afraid of fighting that you'll ignore your impending doom?

            There's nothing comparable to Nazi Germany's activities on any side. We don't have the annexation of Austria or western Czechoslovakia, millions of people who suddenly found themselves part of a growing German empire. We don't have a massive military buildup. All we have are imaginary dangers in your mind. Sorry, I can't get worked up over that.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @02:14AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @02:14AM (#651629)

          > People wanting to live in your country is not genocide

          If that's all it was there would be no problem. These are not refugees. These are not immigrants. These do not seek to integrate and adopt European culture. These come to settle, establishing colonies at first, and spreading from their colonies.

          Many are unwitting tools. But you must ask yourself who is driving the human trafficking network [independent.co.uk] shovelling them over Europe's borders?

          Nor can you be unaware that mass relocation of large populations has been a tool of war by Islam since an infamous bandit ran amok 1500 years ago. He attacked Europe and his followers continued for centuries using both the sword and overpopulation. Europe has been under seige before from these very same methods and the method of transmigration is used around the world [soylentnews.org]..

          Why do you support the crimes of human trafficking and genocide?

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday March 13 2018, @11:58AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 13 2018, @11:58AM (#651781) Journal

            These are not refugees. These are not immigrants.

            Actually, they are immigrants (even if not technically refugees). Not any point to the rest of your post as a result. I think you'd be better served to actually figure out what's going on rather than trying to frame it so that Muslims are the bad guys.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @05:10AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @05:10AM (#651207)

      Fucking Canadians! Violent, bad, people, those Canadians! We should meet them on the Plains of Abraham, again. This time, we win.

      • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday March 12 2018, @03:53PM (2 children)

        by Gaaark (41) on Monday March 12 2018, @03:53PM (#651379) Journal

        Modded you funny, 'cuz'.

        Bring it on: you've invaded and pissed off the rest of the world, so why not us as well!
        You've spied on all your allies to the point you don't REALLY have any.

        I'm sure Russia would love to be allied with us in a war, China too!

        Come on, big guy. Do it! Or are you all talk and fake news? Yeah...thought so. Fuck you, anonymous fuckwad.

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        --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @08:20PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @08:20PM (#651976)

          yes, you'll blind us with your red coats and shiny horse manes.

          • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday March 13 2018, @11:13PM

            by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday March 13 2018, @11:13PM (#652045) Journal

            And the great lakes will never be the same when all your ships run into each other.

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            --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Reziac on Monday March 12 2018, @02:43AM (23 children)

    by Reziac (2489) on Monday March 12 2018, @02:43AM (#651177) Homepage

    If your country is being overrun by violent invaders, what do you call the natives who try to discourage those invaders, using methods said invaders will understand?? Because "Halt! or I'll say halt again!" ain't working.

    --
    And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @03:36AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @03:36AM (#651185)

      Stop raping my wife! I said stop! What part of 'stop' do you not understand? No! Don't rape my daughter! Stop! No, don't rape my son!

      • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @05:34AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @05:34AM (#651216)

        Stop raping my wife! I said stop! What part of 'stop' do you not understand? No! Don't rape my daughter! Stop! No, don't rape my son!

        أنا آسف. انا لا اتكلم الالمانية.

    • (Score: 1, Disagree) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @05:09AM (19 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 12 2018, @05:09AM (#651206) Journal

      If your country is being overrun by violent invaders, what do you call the natives who try to discourage those invaders, using methods said invaders will understand??

      "IF". Doesn't apply to Germany's situation.

      • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday March 12 2018, @05:13AM (18 children)

        by Reziac (2489) on Monday March 12 2018, @05:13AM (#651210) Homepage

        You're right. I should have said "When".

        --
        And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @05:24AM (17 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 12 2018, @05:24AM (#651212) Journal
          You'd then just be wrong because it still wouldn't apply to Germany. Look there's a lot that's retarded about allowing huge numbers of immigrants with little attempt to control the situation. But it's not the immigrants' fault for taking advantage of the situation. I think instead you ought to take a hard look at EU politics that at the time allowed one state, Greece to decide immigration policy for the entire EU. I think also there's a bit of political exploiting of the crisis going on with politicians like Merkel deliberately importing as many people as they can before the loophole goes away. Immigration tends to stabilize high cost welfare policy, for example.
          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Reziac on Monday March 12 2018, @05:46AM (14 children)

            by Reziac (2489) on Monday March 12 2018, @05:46AM (#651220) Homepage

            No disagreement on the background (heard the same re the mess starting with Greece) but ...

            "But it's not the immigrants' fault for taking advantage of the situation."
            Maybe not, but it IS immigrants' fault if they behave like savages, leading to precisely the topic we discuss today.

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            And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @07:05AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @07:05AM (#651231)

              Um, it is the dummkopf racist Germans that are behaving like savages, or, like Germans.

            • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday March 12 2018, @07:12AM (12 children)

              "But it's not the immigrants' fault for taking advantage of the situation."
              Maybe not, but it IS immigrants' fault if they behave like savages, leading to precisely the topic we discuss today.

              Hmmm...let's see. Who was it that was just convicted of a series of bombings intended to create "a climate of fear" among a targeted group?

              It must have been those nasty Muslim "invaders," right? Not so much.

              The only folks "acting like savages" in the topic we discuss today are German nationals. Do you also blame rape/assault/robbery victims for getting raped/assaulted/robbed?

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              No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
              • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday March 12 2018, @07:38AM (11 children)

                by Reziac (2489) on Monday March 12 2018, @07:38AM (#651235) Homepage

                ...in the topic we discuss today. Maybe we should discuss which behavior said topic is in reaction to.

                --
                And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
                • (Score: 5, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Monday March 12 2018, @07:52AM (10 children)

                  ..in the topic we discuss today. Maybe we should discuss which behavior said topic is in reaction to.

                  "the topic we discuss today" were your words, not mine.

                  I guess you want to change topics because you'd prefer not to talk about the bunch of bloodthirsty scumbage who *terrorized* communities. Is that it?

                  I've got a news flash for you Adolph. Terrorist tactics are *never* justified.

                  You want to protest? Great! You want to speak your mind and be heard. Rock on!

                  But trying to kill/maim random people because you don't like that they worship the same god in a different way and/or because of their skins' melanin content? that's criminal.

                  And make no mistake, those murderous (no, they didn't actually kill anyone, thank goodness, but they sure tried) scumbags are just common criminals who deserve to be treated as such.

                  --
                  No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
                  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @08:42AM (2 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @08:42AM (#651252)

                    I'm not even going to be offended that the invaders want to kill me. I expect it. I wish to return fire.

                    Germany may experience what Rwanda experienced. I think the invaders will win.

                    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Monday March 12 2018, @08:57AM

                      You're exactly the type of scumbag I referred to in another comment [soylentnews.org].

                      You're a cowardly piece of shit and you'd never "return fire." Not that anyone is actually shooting at you.

                      The only times you'd get involved in something like that is if you had 10 other guys with you and there was one or two old men or teenage girls you could beat to death.

                      Or if you cold-cocked [wiktionary.org] someone with a bat or a bottle without warning from behind.

                      And you'd then consider yourself a "brave hero" for standing up to the evil darkies.

                      But you're not. You're a cowardly piece of shit who doesn't even have the intestinal fortitude to post with a pseudonymous name on the Internet.

                      How pathetic is that?

                      --
                      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @05:23PM

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 12 2018, @05:23PM (#651435) Journal

                      Germany may experience what Rwanda experienced. I think the invaders will win.

                      From who? It's time for a reality check here. There's no credible threat of genocide here from the "invaders". Nor are immigrants invaders. I get you have feelz about this, but you're talking about at the least deporting a bunch of people who have done nothing wrong. At worst, you talking about murdering innocent people (as this group attempted on one occasion).

                      Just fix immigration. There's no need for hysterics.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @06:08PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @06:08PM (#651453)

                    > I've got a news flash for you Adolph.

                    Good job ceding the high ground. Care to reload while you got one foot left?

                    • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday March 12 2018, @07:46PM

                      > I've got a news flash for you Adolph.

                      Good job ceding the high ground. Care to reload while you got one foot left?

                      Hmm...That guy is defending terrorist violence and *i'm* ceding the high ground? That's rich!

                      Supporting criminals convicted of murder/violence against imagined "invaders" of Germany? I think the analogy was quite apt.

                      Shall I call you Joey or Hermann? Perhaps Klaus?

                      Tschuss!

                      --
                      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @01:52AM (4 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @01:52AM (#651624)

                    > But trying to kill/maim random people because you don't like that they worship the same god in a different way and/or because of their skins' melanin content? that's criminal.

                    That's dar es salam. [wordpress.com]. The Muslims really go at each other's throats when they are nearly 100% of the population and there is only Islam. Before that, there is also war with any remaining non-Muslims [thereligionofpeace.com] as a distraction.

                    When the concentration is lower at 80% you can expect state-run ethnic cleansing and genocide, like you see in Egypt, Turkey, Iran, and more.

                    When the concentration is even lower at 60%, you get all that but only sporadically. Jizya is forced then if not sooner.

                    • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday March 13 2018, @02:38AM (3 children)

                      When the concentration is lower at 80% you can expect state-run ethnic cleansing and genocide, like you see in Egypt, Turkey, Iran, and more.

                      I'm sorry. When exactly did this happen? [wikipedia.org] It seems to me that Muslim and non-muslim countries are pretty bloodthirsty, and there has been plenty of ethnic cleansing on all sides. Your straw man is on fire.

                      When the concentration is even lower at 60%, you get all that but only sporadically. Jizya is forced then if not sooner.

                      There is no such thing as jizya [wikipedia.org] any more. Your straw man has burned to ash.

                      The term appears in the Quran referring to a tax or tribute from People of the Book specifically Jews and Christians. Followers of other religions like Zoroastrians and Hindus too were later integrated into category of dhimmis and required to pay jizya. In the Indian Subcontinent the practice was eradicated by the 18th century. It almost vanished during the 20th century with disappearance of Islamic states and spread of religious tolerance.[35] The tax is no longer imposed by nation states in the Islamic world,[36][37] although there are reported cases of organizations such as the Pakistani Taliban and ISIS attempting to revive the practice.[35][38][39]

                      For the record, it took me more time to format this post than it did to gather *factual* information which is in direct opposition to the bullshit you're spewing.

                      You're not very bright, are you? Which explains a lot. I feel pity for you.

                      --
                      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
                      • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 14 2018, @01:18AM (2 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 14 2018, @01:18AM (#652101)

                        assyrians
                        copts
                        armenians
                        west papuans
                        east timor
                        south sudanese
                        ibo
                        bangladesh

                        and what is going on in iraq, syria, yemen at the moment

                        for the record, it took me more time to format this post than it did to gather *factual* information which is in direct opposition to the bullshit you're spewing.

                        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 14 2018, @02:21AM (1 child)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 14 2018, @02:21AM (#652120)

                          You're just cherry picking,

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_cleansing_campaigns [wikipedia.org]

                          Why don't you go burn a cross or something?

                          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 17 2018, @01:48AM

                            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 17 2018, @01:48AM (#653898)

                            survey says .... bzzzt

                            1 tu quoque
                            2 a hominem

                            you lose

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @11:04AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @11:04AM (#651289)

            I have seen that policy first hand. Germany and Germans suffer because, like most of the suffering in this world, they want what they cannot have. In this case, they don't want to do research on the people they are inviting inside their country. They don't want to put money in teaching these people their language, and they don't want to train their citizens for the upcoming change in their society. What they want is to wave the magic wand and have all the laborers they are running short of. USA has done wonders inviting Asians/Indians to the country, but Germany has almost no need for intelligent citizens. Unfortunately, the times have changed since so many decades and current Syrian refugees are not the same as Turkish immigrants who just want to sit tight, pray 5 times a day and do the dirty job. The world is interconnected and every tom dick and harry carries internet access in the pocket and dreams of just deserves.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @08:23PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @08:23PM (#651978)

            I agree with this. I think these "far right" groups need to kill their own politicians first. Like... skin them alive and hang them from a bridge. Film the whole thing and put it on thepiratebay. Show these scum that they can't get away with this shit forever. Merkel's fat ass first.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @06:58AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @06:58AM (#651229)

      what do you call the natives who try to discourage those invaders?

      Oh, oh! I know! We call them convicted criminals, just like in the Fine Article. Or, I guess, we could call them idiots, or racists, or "men who have forgotten the face of their father", or just idiots again. You see, every nation is made of of the most recent invaders, and it is really bad form for those invaders to get there panties all up in a bunch when the next wave arrives. Go back to Italy, you ferking Wop! No Hyphenated Americans! Ban the Bohunks! American for Americans, or at least White Anglo-saxon Protestents? Catholics need not apply! You fucking racist! You ethnically fucked bastard! You mixed race American asshole! You idiot who thinks you are native to anywhere! We all, and I do mean all, hate you and despise you, and that is why we call you "Chuck". Fuch you, Chuck.