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posted by mrpg on Thursday March 15 2018, @01:00AM   Printer-friendly
from the like-the-flu dept.

How can we understand the process by which an attack type popularized in the West Bank became the tactic of choice for a white supremacist in the United States? The best way to do so—and to predict the spread of new tactics—may come from an unconventional source: epidemiology, the science of the spread of disease.

[...] Just as in epidemiology, where an outbreak in one area triggers concern in neighboring regions, so too should an outbreak in one operational area serve as a warning to other, geographically related areas. Thus, at this point the outbreak in Israel should have indicated the likelihood that the tactic would spread, at least elsewhere in the region. Here an understanding of vectors is key. A fairly broad definition of a vector is that it is a carrier that transmits a given infectious agent between organisms.

[...] Employing an epidemiological perspective will give security forces and operational planners more time to prepare for the arrival of the tactic and may ultimately save lives. Understanding when the prevalence of a tactic has reached outbreak levels can provide a warning to other operational environments. Monitoring vectors can provide warning of how and where a tactic may spread and whether it is likely that the tactic will reach pandemic or hyperendemic proportions. Even if epidemiological language is not employed, there is still value in an epidemiological approach to describing the prevalence and media coverage of tactics in operating environments.

VEHICLE RAMMING, FROM THE MIDDLE EAST TO CHARLOTTESVILLE: HOW DO TACTICS SPREAD?


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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 15 2018, @01:22AM (55 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 15 2018, @01:22AM (#652715) Journal

    The guy in the US wasn't using "tactics". He panicked when he was surrounded by a noisy, hostile crowd.

    Note that the vehicle ramming in Europe has been done with stolen or rented vehicles. One party to the conflict makes the other side bear the expense of their "tactics". Here, a panicked little bitch tried to bull his way through a crowd. Huge difference.

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @01:36AM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @01:36AM (#652719)

    When people block your car and start to beat on it, you should assume that they mean you serious harm. In many cases, drivers have been yanked out of vehicles and severely beaten. Some die. Sometimes, vehicles get torched with the occupants inside. Hitting the gas is the only reasonable survival tactic. Hesitation may lead to your death.

    For the other parties to this sort of incident: if you don't want to get ground into the pavement by a ton or two of steel, don't threaten a driver. Attacking a driver is not legal. Your hate will not protect you, either from being ground into the pavement or from the legal consequences of attacking a driver. Don't try it.

    All of the above ought to be really obvious.

    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @01:50AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @01:50AM (#652723)

      Your post is the best thing I've ever read on Soylent.

      Of course the leftist SJW twerps will try to smother you with their "you're a _____"
      passive-aggressive bullshit, but the bottom line is that your analysis was correct.

      By the way, I live in Charlottesville and I was THERE at the protest event. It all could have been prevented if the mayor had done the right thing and allowed the police to do their job, which was to prevent protesters who did not have a permit from being on the scene and instigating trouble. The mayor used this mess for his own political gain, and if you don't think that makes him the worst kind of asshole, you need to think some more.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Thursday March 15 2018, @03:22AM (4 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 15 2018, @03:22AM (#652764) Journal

      When people block your car and start to beat on it, you should assume that they mean you serious harm.

      When you are scared and 200 meters away from the perceived danger and in your car, the normal reaction is to back the fuck away in your car instead of heading towards the place you see "danger". When he got into his car, nobody was banging it.

      Spare me, that shit wasn't flight-ing the scene, he was in a fighting mood.

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      • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Sulla on Thursday March 15 2018, @05:45AM (2 children)

        by Sulla (5173) on Thursday March 15 2018, @05:45AM (#652791) Journal

        I think you downplay just how easily people get scared, scatter, and make bad decisions. Thinking people might kill you or you might die doesn't spark rational decision making and deductions of best possible routes out of a situation for a lot of people. From what I have seen of people involved in car accidents just before it happens is that they freak out and either go deer-in-the-headlights or make rash decisions. This guy committed involuntary manslaughter when he got scared and tried to take a known route out of the area that happend to have a ton of people in the road at the time. Swirved to miss blocked traffic (not hitting car infront of him) and hid pedestrians.

        I had a situation where I was gradually slowing to a stop In an area with ice and my exploder decided it wanted to try and explode. My passengar unable to cope with the situation freaked out, I slowed down my thought process and realized if I let the fishtail happen I would roll when I got caught on the curb. I fishtailed my car back and forth until I was far enough from the curb that I could let it do a full circle without any issues. Let the ice do what it wanted and swing me around losing all the momentum and then I was back on my way with a new lesson that Tudor/University likes to have worse ice buildup than other intersections.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @06:00AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @06:00AM (#652795)

          That's bullshit and you know it. Try it on this tune [youtube.com], it will be easy for you to admit it

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @10:31AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @10:31AM (#652878)

          This guy committed involuntary manslaughter when he got scared and tried to take a known route out of the area that happend to have a ton of people in the road at the time. Swirved to miss blocked traffic (not hitting car infront of him) and hid pedestrians.

          While my personal opinion of the situation is in agreement that it was likely involuntary manslaughter, from my observation of the situation, yours is not an entirely accurate representation of what happened:
          1. The car was slowing down as he approached the crowd.
          2. A pedestrian hit the rear of his car with something like a baseball bat.
          3. The car accelerated, hitting the crowd
          4. The car then rear-ended another vehicle, which had already been enveloped by the crowd of people.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @08:53PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @08:53PM (#653102)

        Half the people on the road are looking at their cell phone. By the time they become aware of a dangerous situation, they're right in the middle of it. It's too late to avoid the problem.

    • (Score: 2) by Hyper on Thursday March 15 2018, @09:31AM (3 children)

      by Hyper (1525) on Thursday March 15 2018, @09:31AM (#652860) Journal

      "A car is a weapon. Do not attack a person wielding a weapon"

      • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday March 15 2018, @12:50PM (2 children)

        by Gaaark (41) on Thursday March 15 2018, @12:50PM (#652913) Journal

        Especially if the weapon is a banana!

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        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:20PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:20PM (#653169)

          What if it's a Nazi with a pointed stick?

          • (Score: 2) by Hyper on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:35PM

            by Hyper (1525) on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:35PM (#653177) Journal

            Stay away from crazy people holding a weapon?

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @01:39AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @01:39AM (#652721)

    Worded poorly but I followed. It isn’t off topic. Cryptic sure, but not off topic.

    • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday March 15 2018, @02:06AM (3 children)

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Thursday March 15 2018, @02:06AM (#652731) Homepage Journal

      Science people, cyber people, they have VERY SPECIAL ways of writing & speaking. But I know what he's saying, I think I know. He's saying that the HORRIBLE car crash in #Charlottesville [twitter.com] wasn't a "tactic." That it wasn't planned. That it was just a VERY SCARED young man (a Patriot) trying to get out of a very bad situation. And that he didn't mean to hurt anyone -- not even in self defense. That it was AN ACCIDENT. Who knows? Nobody knows. But, so interesting!

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @06:04AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @06:04AM (#652797)

        The charge is Murder One: premeditated, with malice aforethought. Thank goodness the Republicans have retained the death penalty for Nazis in Virginia.

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @10:33AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @10:33AM (#652879)

          I notice you said "charge" and not "conviction". You do know the difference, right?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:21PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:21PM (#653170)

            You know the protocol? What's the frequency, Kenneth!!!

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by ilPapa on Thursday March 15 2018, @01:54AM (37 children)

    by ilPapa (2366) on Thursday March 15 2018, @01:54AM (#652728) Journal

    The guy in the US wasn't using "tactics". He panicked when he was surrounded by a noisy, hostile crowd.

    No, that's bullshit.

    The story of how neo-Nazi James Alex Fields Jr wasn't really trying to hurt anyone, he was only trying to get away from an angry mob was getting pushed on alt-Right sites for a while. It was pushed by disgraced former congressman and piece of shit Allen West and it's a complete lie. A video is shown in these stories as "proof".

    However, when you see the longer, unedited version of the video, it is clear that neo-Nazi James Alex Fields, Jr was actually accelerating towards the crowd before he was anywhere near them. This video evidence, along with eyewitness testimony and evidence collected in the investigation led to first degree murder charges being brought against neo-Nazi and Trump supporter James Alex Fields, Jr.

    It was not an accident, and neo-Nazi Trump supporter James Alex Fields, Jr was not "panicked" until he was trying to flee the murder scene. This is how alt-Right neo-Nazis in the US have gotten a reputation for both cowardice and for being terrorists.

    Here is the longer video that shows this murderous little jackoff and Trump supporter barreling towards the crowd, that's over a block away:

    https://youtu.be/D7FPmojhEeE [youtu.be]

    And here is an interesting Inside Edition story about this chickenshit alt-Right bag of mayonnaise who is now facing first degree (and second degree) murder charges:

    https://youtu.be/Fqdy6EFl1js [youtu.be]

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    • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @02:11AM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @02:11AM (#652735)

      I live in Charlottesville and I was THERE when the protest and the vehicle 'ramming' happened.

      Your videos are doctored and you are posting in the service of your liberal agenda.

      You're a lying sack of shit.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @05:26AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @05:26AM (#652784)

        I live in Charlottesville and I was THERE

        No, you weren't! I was there, and I didn't see you. Or were you this guy [youtube.com]?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @04:39PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @04:39PM (#652993)

          Neither of you were! I was there, and there weren't any ACs there at all!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:28PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:28PM (#653173)

            You did not view the wounderful Youtube video of the "not White Power" AC, who was there. He was in prison, you know.

      • (Score: 2) by Hyper on Thursday March 15 2018, @09:37AM

        by Hyper (1525) on Thursday March 15 2018, @09:37AM (#652862) Journal

        So, which is it?
        Did the driver deliberately ram the crowd in an aggressive violent act, or did the crowd attack the vehicle and were hit with a reprisal using a vehicle as a weapon?

        One of these actions is understandable if a crowd of people attack a vehicle. The other amounts to attempted murder.

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday March 15 2018, @05:56PM (1 child)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday March 15 2018, @05:56PM (#653022) Journal

        Hmmm....I wonder who I should trust. The unsupported word of an anonymous coward, or my own freaking eyes.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:37PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:37PM (#653180)

          The AC. He is*everywhere*

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 15 2018, @02:20AM (4 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 15 2018, @02:20AM (#652740) Journal

      If you can deny that a bunch of communist instigators incited a riot, then you can justify anything. The Nazi pukes had a permit, and were observing the law. Your law breaking left came in and attacked them, while the cops stood by and watched.

      Characterize things however you like - that characterization separates American patriots from anti-American haters.

      The fact that I have to defend a Nazi whom I despise from your side only emphasizes how despicable the left is. I do have some history with communist instigators. I've met them in a dozen countries. What was needed in Charlottesville was a couple dozen people like myself with experience quelling riots.

      I'll repeat something I posted when this all happened:

      The best possible outcome in Charlottesville would have been that the Nazis and the Commies killed each other off. I mean, that's really the BEST. Our nation doesn't need any of their kind. Unfortunately, only one communist died that day.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @05:32AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @05:32AM (#652786)

        Shut up, Runaway! The Adults are having a discussion. Why don't you go back to telling us all about the Arkansas Navy, hmmm?

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday March 15 2018, @06:02PM (2 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday March 15 2018, @06:02PM (#653027) Journal

        The Nazi pukes had a permit...

        Donald Trump wrong that Charlottesville counter-protesters didn't have a permit [politifact.com]

        Why do you keep making this point even though you know damn well [soylentnews.org] the counter-protesters also had a permit? [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Thursday March 15 2018, @07:21PM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 15 2018, @07:21PM (#653062) Journal

          Did that permit actually permit lefties to attack righties? In point of fact, a bunch of lefties showed up looking for violence. Righties had their permit, lefties sought permits FOR THE PURPOSE of inciting a riot. There was nothing "lawful" about the arrival of the left.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:32PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:32PM (#653176)

            I repeat, Runaway, shut up now! You are repeating things that are not true that have been inserted into your rather small American mind by Information Warfare operations you cannot comprehend! Nazis, Runaway, full-on anti-semitic, Pole-killing Nazis. These are your friends, now?

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by jmorris on Thursday March 15 2018, @02:51AM (15 children)

      by jmorris (4844) on Thursday March 15 2018, @02:51AM (#652750)

      You do know we have photos of the Antifa guys who were chasing Fields with AR-15s, right? We have the tweets where they bragged about it. You do know that, you aren't just talking outta yer ass and do know the latest developments in the story. You do know the first cut of ANY story in the media is fake news, right? You do know we have high def footage from MSNBC of the "victim's" mother saying the fat commie bitch died of a heart attack and not from being hit by a car, right? Surely you know that. Bitch had a heart attack from the stress and even though paramedics were on the scene they couldn't save her because she was just too effing fat. Car plows through a crowd and the only death is from a fatty having a heart attack. Fat kills. That there is comedy you won't see on the late night shows.

      Just wanting to put this out there so when the corrupt injustice system pisses around another few years and eventually has to allow this case to come to trial and Fields is acquitted you won't be shocked. Of course you and every other proggie on here will be all faux outraged like the blue check mafia commands, but I want ya to know that you should have known better, that I know you knew better because I told ya. Because I'm gonna giggle my ass off. You do know that, right? I'm going to be salt mining when that day comes. And gloating. Lots and lots of gloating.

      This story is how fake news works, take a fake story that has fallen out of the news cycle, slap some sciency sounding bullshit on top of it and repost. Twenty years after Fields has been turned loose the Narrative will still refer to the event and assume his guilt because the story of the acquittal will be quickly and very quietly reported then buried. Kinda like I still run into people who believe Darth Cheney outed Valerie Plane. Some people are utterly immune to facts.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by ilPapa on Thursday March 15 2018, @03:02AM (6 children)

        by ilPapa (2366) on Thursday March 15 2018, @03:02AM (#652754) Journal

        You do know we have photos of the Antifa guys who were chasing Fields with AR-15s, right?

        Who's "we", soyboy? You and your YouTube nazi friends? It's funny that only the most extreme of right-wing jackoff sites and neo-Nazi YouTubers have pushed this "Antifa chased the guy with rifles and forced him to run over a group of people" story.

        Let's see if Fields' lawyer uses the YouTube defense when his client goes on trial for first degree murder.

        You do know the first cut of ANY story in the media is fake news, right? You do know we have high def footage from MSNBC of the "victim's" mother saying the fat commie bitch died of a heart attack and not from being hit by a car, right? Surely you know that. Bitch had a heart attack from the stress and even though paramedics were on the scene they couldn't save her because she was just too effing fat. Car plows through a crowd and the only death is from a fatty having a heart attack. Fat kills. That there is comedy you won't see on the late night shows.

        Man, who hurt you so bad that you're this fucked up? Was it a family member?

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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by cocaine overdose on Thursday March 15 2018, @03:17AM (1 child)

          Idk, man. I'm not part of the Helter Skelter (the Manson scenario, not the hentai), but Dwayne Dixon openly admitted to it. [macon.com] Chargers were dropped, but he did confirm his actions in testimony. Got out because of 1st + 2nd amendment argument by his lawyer.
          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by ilPapa on Thursday March 15 2018, @04:13AM

            by ilPapa (2366) on Thursday March 15 2018, @04:13AM (#652772) Journal

            Got out because of 1st + 2nd amendment argument by his lawyer.

            Oh, you mean those two little technicalities, the 1st and 2nd Amendments?

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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by jmorris on Thursday March 15 2018, @03:19AM (3 children)

          by jmorris (4844) on Thursday March 15 2018, @03:19AM (#652762)

          Why wouldn't the lawyer use direct exculpatory evidence? Unless you are implying you know the guy's lawyer is compromised?

          Man, who hurt you so bad that you're this fucked up?

          The only bad thing about a communist dying is it was only one communist died and not the whole lot of em. Fields is a fudged up cracker (an opinion held even by most of the neo-nazi types who were trying to hold a peaceful protest that day) but I'll still worry about humans over animals any day of the week. Ya can often straighten out a fudged up kid, hell sometimes they fix themselves once they get out into the world and have to make a living. Communists usually get worse over time, rarely better. Ok David Horowitz and Whittaker Chambers were commies who repented, but a rare exception only proves the general rule that every dead commie makes the world a little bit better on net. So I'll turn the question back at you, why don't you want to make the world a better place? What is wrong with you?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @05:29AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @05:29AM (#652785)

            jmorris,

            The only bad thing about a communist dying is it was only one communist died and not the whole lot of em

            You are misquoting Franz Fanon. Stop it, it just makes you look stupid.

          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Gaaark on Thursday March 15 2018, @01:12PM

            by Gaaark (41) on Thursday March 15 2018, @01:12PM (#652921) Journal

            Wait!? Honest question (I think my autism is kicking in again)

            Are you saying that you worry about humans over animals, but that you support neo-nazis and communists should die?
            Or do you not support neo-nazis? Or are you considering communists animals?

            Damn, I'm having trouble with this whole thread I guess.

            Stupid autism.

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          • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday March 15 2018, @06:06PM

            by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday March 15 2018, @06:06PM (#653029) Journal

            Why wouldn't the lawyer use direct exculpatory evidence?

            Because it doesn't exist.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by ilPapa on Thursday March 15 2018, @03:10AM (6 children)

        by ilPapa (2366) on Thursday March 15 2018, @03:10AM (#652757) Journal

        You do know the first cut of ANY story in the media is fake news, right?

        I'm wondering, jmorris, do you also have any pet theories about the innocence of the Atomwaffen Division nazi Trumpers who have now been charged in five murders? I'm curious to hear how Antifa pushed these very fine people on the alt-right to commit murder.

        https://www.propublica.org/article/atomwaffen-division-inside-white-hate-group [propublica.org]

        https://www.thedailybeast.com/tech-companies-ban-neo-nazi-group-atomwaffen [thedailybeast.com]

        https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xw5bxk/youtube-neo-nazi-propaganda-atomwaffen [vice.com]

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        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by jmorris on Thursday March 15 2018, @03:36AM (4 children)

          by jmorris (4844) on Thursday March 15 2018, @03:36AM (#652767)

          I'm with Andrew Anglin of DailyStormer on that one. The question that needs asking in their case is who is protecting them from the usual rounding up of suspects. Almost like the FBI giving the Parkland shooter enough space to work up the courage to actually start shooting, somebody is giving those guys enough breathing room to let em commit an atrocity that can be used as an excuse for a mass purge. And they ain't even Alt-Right, Neo-Nazi or Nazi or any recognizable political ideology. Satanism seems a big component of their beliefs, to the extent they have anything coherent enough for anyone outside to piece together. When you have the Dailystormer saying the Feds outta be doing something about some guys, the Feds really outta be doing something about those guys. Know what I'm saying?

          The protesters in Charlotteville were a mix of Alt-Right and some less savory neo-Nazi types (although the only Nazi flag I have seen on any of the video still had crisp creases in it from being freshly taken out of the the package and the guy is one of the few there who hasn't been doxxed and ruined... hmm) but they were peaceful and lawful. People got a right to be wrong as long as they are peaceful about it. They bought a permit to hold a rally. Antifa showed up without permission, the police executed what was a carefully prepared plan to break every known precept of safe crowd control and drive the annoying but peaceful protesters directly into the waiting arms of Antifa. The official after action report condemned the police for that action so that is not opinion. So defending their right to assemble and petition their government is a requirement for any American. Defending Atomwaffen is not required so I won't.

          • (Score: 3, Touché) by ilPapa on Thursday March 15 2018, @04:15AM (3 children)

            by ilPapa (2366) on Thursday March 15 2018, @04:15AM (#652773) Journal

            I'm with Andrew Anglin of DailyStormer on that one.

            There's a shocker.

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            • (Score: 5, Interesting) by jmorris on Thursday March 15 2018, @05:37AM (2 children)

              by jmorris (4844) on Thursday March 15 2018, @05:37AM (#652789)

              Well try reading it sometime. Zany? Oh hell yea. Outrageous? Intentionally so. Trollishly so. Worth a few minutes to see what that edge of the political spectrum is up to? Yup. Dailystormer is not Stormfront. Stormfront wants to really be Nazis and is a bunch of useless retards. Dailystormer seems to understand what a dead end that is outside rustling people's jimmies online with the imagery. We might agree the humor is juvenile but so would Anglin with an evil grin because that is his target demo. And banning his domain name made it "forbidden fruit" so keeping up with the frequent name changes is now part of the game for kids born online. Whether a force for good or ill ultimately, a force they will likely be eventually; so they bear watching.

              And like I said, if a site like that is ringing the bell on a group for being dangerous and likely to do something unwise and downright uncivilized, it makes you wonder why we pay the FBI when they actually do kill people and yet still walk around. Exactly like the Parkland shooter. A lot of people saw something and just like the PSAs tell us, they said something. Then the FBI and local law enforcement did nothing.

              If somebody on here started ranting about wanting to be a professional school shooter somebody else here would report it. And whether the buzzard liked it or not, odds are the Feds would show up with a warrant to get info on that poster. And for 99% of us, that poster would get a visit by a "man in black" dispatched from the local field office. But apparently not 100%, there are apparently SOME people who the feds silently pass over for reasons not adequately explained to date. We need some Congressional hearings to get to the bottom of this new trend of selective enforcement. And after we get to the bottom of it, heads need to roll. No retirement on full pension, terminated for cause and unfit for future service.

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @05:52AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @05:52AM (#652792)

                But apparently not 100%, there are apparently SOME people who the feds silently pass over for reasons not adequately explained to date.

                Don't be so impatient, jmorris! Your warrant will come up soon. The Feds are just very busy with right-wing terrorists at the moment, so there is a rather long waiting period. But they will get to you, for all the threats of violence you have made on SN. Not to mention the Special SJW Elite Attack Squad, which has your number but has gone suspiciously dark of late. Must be getting close. Well, pleasant dreams, jmorris!

              • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday March 15 2018, @06:09PM

                by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday March 15 2018, @06:09PM (#653031) Journal

                Why don't you sum it up for us and actually present some evidence for a change.

                Seems like posting all those pictures you claim exists would be a bit more convincing.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Thursday March 15 2018, @02:16PM

          by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 15 2018, @02:16PM (#652943)

          Damn, all those people run over by cars as per

          an attack type popularized in the West Bank became the tactic of choice for a white supremacist in the United States

          Oh I see its all mere propaganda.

          The thing about the Atomwaffen Division is its exactly the same as DnD in the 80s or violent video games today. If, for the sake of argument, given a statistical pool, if a huge fraction of the pool is (DnD players, Alt right, whatever) while at the same time a microscopic fraction is nuts as a microscopic fraction of the population has always been nuts since time immemorial, them by definition especially if you cherry pick examples, you'll find plenty of examples of people in the set of intersection of (giant popular group) and (ridiculously small fraction of crazies).

          For example one pyromaniac was in the Division, at least per the Wikipedia article. Likewise I have an extremely strong suspicion that you can cherry pick and glorify a similar coincidental relationship between drinking tap water and being a pyromaniac. I mean, you're not seriously claiming the pyro never drank plain old tap water, seriously?

          At least for Generation Z(yklon) being in the alt right isn't any more unusual or dangerous than playing DnD in the 80s or playing video games in the 90s till now. I would be shocked if you could NOT find someone in such an immense and popular movement for any and all crimes. Surely someone on the alt-right has spat on the sidewalk, surely someone on the alt-right has cheated while playing blackjack, surely someone on the alt right has not colored crayons within the lines, none of that is really surprising in any way.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:36PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:36PM (#653178)

        jmorris, you are such an idiot! You know nothing about guns!

        Antifa guys who were chasing Fields with AR-15s,

        Leftist would definitely be carrying Kalashnikovs, or AK-47s, not AR-15s. Larger caliber, more reliable, and scarier to American Neo-Nazis. So obviously your fake news is fake.

        Some people are utterly immune to facts.

        I'll just leave this here.

    • (Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Thursday March 15 2018, @07:37AM (6 children)

      by cubancigar11 (330) on Thursday March 15 2018, @07:37AM (#652817) Homepage Journal

      So pray tell me, where did you learn this tactic of grouping large number of people you disagree with, with criminals to make them look bad?

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @07:42AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @07:42AM (#652819)

        Oh, noes! Cubancigar is one of them, too! O Mores! O Tempura! O Tidepod!

        • (Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Thursday March 15 2018, @08:19AM (4 children)

          by cubancigar11 (330) on Thursday March 15 2018, @08:19AM (#652832) Homepage Journal

          Fake aristarchus?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @08:33AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @08:33AM (#652836)

            aristarchus is fake, just like this alt-right "accidental vehicular homicide" story. Jmorris is a fatty, also.

            • (Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Thursday March 15 2018, @09:12AM (2 children)

              by cubancigar11 (330) on Thursday March 15 2018, @09:12AM (#652851) Homepage Journal

              aristarchus was real. we have a fake one present among us.

              • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @12:12PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @12:12PM (#652909)

                Don;t try to avoid the point. Fake presence or not, it doesn't make jmorris any less fatty.

              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:40PM

                by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday March 15 2018, @11:40PM (#653182) Journal

                I was real? What am I now, chopped liver? In any case, you know what they say: Imitation is the highest form of flattery. Unless it is the disease-like spread of a tactical meme. Nothing like an argument you could drive a truck into.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @10:44AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @10:44AM (#652882)

      Here is the longer video that shows this murderous little jackoff and Trump supporter barreling towards the crowd, that's over a block away:

      https://youtu.be/D7FPmojhEeE [youtu.be]

      You and I have different definitions of "barreling" if that's your example. Or do American cars just have such terrible performance that, after accelerating for over a whole block's distance, a pedestrian can still swing some shit and hit the rear of the car?

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @04:02PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @04:02PM (#652976)

      your video shows they were already hitting his car with bricks and shit well before the human speed bumps got in the way. fuck those dumb bitches. he should have killed more of them.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @03:56PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 15 2018, @03:56PM (#652971)

    yes, this story is just propaganda and shouldn't be linked to by soylentnews. people who write BS like this need to be punished.