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posted by mrpg on Friday March 16 2018, @12:35AM   Printer-friendly
from the ∫-√(1+[f(x)']²)dx dept.

Suppose, a litre of cola costs US$3.15. If you buy one third of a litre of cola, how much would you pay?

The above may seem like a rather basic question. Something that you would perhaps expect the vast majority of adults to be able to answer? Particularly if they are allowed to use a calculator.

Unfortunately, the reality is that a large number of adults across the world struggle with even such basic financial tasks (the correct answer is US$1.05, by the way).

[...] In many other countries, the situation is even worse. Four in every ten adults in places like England, Canada, Spain and the US can't make this straightforward calculation – even when they had a calculator to hand. Similarly, less than half of adults in places like Chile, Turkey and South Korea can get the right answer.

-- submitted from IRC

High number of adults unable to do basic mathematical tasks


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by ese002 on Friday March 16 2018, @01:16AM (7 children)

    by ese002 (5306) on Friday March 16 2018, @01:16AM (#653248)

    $1.05 is the answer to "How much is the cost per 1/3 Liter?". The economically naive might think it is the answer to: "How much would you pay for 1/3 litre" but it is not.

    The actual cost to provide are influenced by:

    1) Packaging costs. The cost of the liquid varies by volume but the packaging varies mostly by surface area and a 1/3 L bottle has more than 1/3 the amount of plastic.
    2) Shelf space. Shelf space has a cost that mostly relates to 2-D area. Shelf space occupied by a 1/3L bottle is even greater relative to 1L bottle than the packaging.
    3) Handling costs. It is always cheaper to produce and sell fewer items in larger quantity.

    A decent guess is that the 1/3L bottle of cola would actually cost around $2.
    Even if there were no bottle, $1.05 would still be wrong due to handling costs.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 16 2018, @01:26AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 16 2018, @01:26AM (#653256)

    Well since they asked, "How much would you pay?" my answer is 0. I don't buy cola or any sugared water for that matter.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by vux984 on Friday March 16 2018, @02:09AM (4 children)

      by vux984 (5045) on Friday March 16 2018, @02:09AM (#653276)

      No, they asked "If you buy one third of a litre of cola, how much would you pay?"

      0 would only be the correct answer if you did NOT buy any cola. But since that was not the premise, 0 is not the answer.

      " I don't buy cola or any sugared water for that matter."

      Congratulations. You'd probably get along great with the guy that doesn't own a TV.
      https://www.theonion.com/area-man-constantly-mentioning-he-doesnt-own-a-televisi-1819565469 [theonion.com]

      • (Score: 2) by legont on Friday March 16 2018, @04:26AM (1 child)

        by legont (4179) on Friday March 16 2018, @04:26AM (#653360)

        I would pay about $5. Want a bet it is the case? I am good up to 10K.

        --
        "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
        • (Score: 2) by dry on Friday March 16 2018, @05:14AM

          by dry (223) on Friday March 16 2018, @05:14AM (#653383) Journal

          Sure, you, Tim and I will evenly split a $3.15 litre of soda and whoever is stupid enough to throw in $5...

      • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Friday March 16 2018, @09:13AM (1 child)

        by TheRaven (270) on Friday March 16 2018, @09:13AM (#653463) Journal

        No, they asked "If you buy one third of a litre of cola, how much would you pay?"

        0 would only be the correct answer if you did NOT buy any cola. But since that was not the premise, 0 is not the answer.

        If you want to be pedantic, in logic this kind of proposition is referred to as an ex falso quodlibet (EFQ) and reduces to false implies {any value}. If you would not buy cola, then the any value for the price is correct, because any derivation starting from a false premise is true.

        --
        sudo mod me up
        • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Friday March 16 2018, @05:46PM

          by vux984 (5045) on Friday March 16 2018, @05:46PM (#653705)

          "If you want to be pedantic, [then B]"

          Ok. I don't want to be pedantic. Therefore the rest of what you wrote is irrelevant. ;)

          However, the usual interpretation of the logic construction for english sentences like:

          "If you would not buy cola, then the any value for the price is correct, because any derivation starting from a false premise is true."
          or
          "If you want to be pedantic, in logic this kind of proposition [...]"

          is to understand that the writer intends you to consider the 'then' clause, as constrained by the assumption that the premise is true.
          Or as:

          A
          A -> B

          therefore B must be true, for the above to be satisfied.

          A
          A -> B

          find B

          We're being asked to determine B such that the the statement are satisfied, constrained by the assumption that A is true.

  • (Score: 3, Touché) by unauthorized on Friday March 16 2018, @02:09AM

    by unauthorized (3776) on Friday March 16 2018, @02:09AM (#653278)

    The economically naive might think it is the answer to: "How much would you pay for 1/3 litre" but it is not.

    As well as those intelligent enough to understand that the question is hypothetical and they are supposed to treat it's elements as an abstraction.