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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday March 20 2018, @05:22PM   Printer-friendly
from the the-appearance-of-propriety dept.

Social media provides a new environment that makes it possible to carefully edit the image you want to project of yourself. A study from Lund University in Sweden suggests that many people are prepared to pay to "filter out" unfavorable information.

Economists Håkan Holm and Margaret Samahita have investigated how we curate our social image on the web using game theory.

Previous studies have been conducted on, for example, how anonymity affects our willingness to act pro-socially, and thus our concern for social image. However, the internet and social media now make it possible to edit the image we want to project of ourselves retroactively. One can therefore expect other, -- less impulsive, mechanisms to control this behavior. The purpose of the study was therefore to better understand online behavior.

Each subject participated in a cooperative situation with an anonymous person, and the participants earned real money during the experiment. They could be "good" and cooperate a lot, which is costly, or be less cooperative, which costs less. They then found out that information about how much they actually cooperated could be published online along with their name, but that they could avoid this publication if they paid to censor the information. It turned out that those who cooperated less, valued the censorship highest which meant that information about this group's actions tended to be filtered out.

"That the image people share of themselves is 'softened' on the internet is perhaps not that surprising. What is new is that this is shown under experimental control and that the will to 'filter out' is so strong that one is prepared to pay for it," explains Håkan Holm.

Hakan J. Holm, Margaret Samahita. Curating social image: Experimental evidence on the value of actions and selfies. Journal of Economic Behavior & Organization, 2018; 148: 83 DOI: 10.1016/j.jebo.2018.02.008


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Wednesday March 21 2018, @12:47AM (31 children)

    by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Wednesday March 21 2018, @12:47AM (#655755) Homepage Journal

    I don't blame Azuma.

    I gave up on trying to talk sense to VLM.

    Just look at this post. It's completely off-topic and he just spouts his vague stock attacks against "the left," muslims and "the shitstream media" or whatever he decides to call it this week.

    Honestly, there's really no point as you can't actually have a conversation or even a real argument with someone that only writes in inane alt-right talkng points.

    As such, it's more productive (despite what I said here [soylentnews.org]) to just mock him and move on.

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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday March 21 2018, @01:28AM (24 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday March 21 2018, @01:28AM (#655782) Homepage Journal

    Possibly. Nothing he said in that particular comment was even vaguely alt-right though and most of it was straight up factual.

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    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday March 21 2018, @02:13AM (23 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday March 21 2018, @02:13AM (#655811) Journal

      And this is why what he said about it being more productive to mock VLM applies to you too, Uzzard :) I can't comprehend what it's like to be this dense...

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      • (Score: 0, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday March 21 2018, @02:34AM (22 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday March 21 2018, @02:34AM (#655831) Homepage Journal

        I know you can't comprehend anything outside your extremely off-center bubble. This is not news. I'll repeat it again though in the hopes that one of these days repetition will cause a lightbulb to go off in your head: I am not right-wing. Both wings are currently full of authoritarians and I am much closer to full-on anarchists than I am to either wing.

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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday March 21 2018, @02:38AM (20 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday March 21 2018, @02:38AM (#655833) Journal

          Keep telling yourself that, Uzzard. Repeating it won't make it true though. Even if you don't see it, most of the shit you say plays right into the hard-authoritarian agenda.

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          • (Score: 2, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday March 21 2018, @03:28AM (19 children)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday March 21 2018, @03:28AM (#655854) Homepage Journal

            Name one. You know perfectly well that our major disagreements on politics occur where you start becoming authoritarian yourself.

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            • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by cocaine overdose on Thursday March 22 2018, @01:14AM

              Only marxist totalitarians try to reason with a very obviously BPD girl. The rest of us send her dick pics.
            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday March 23 2018, @02:09AM (17 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday March 23 2018, @02:09AM (#656975) Journal

              Here's an example for you: "taxes are theft," your favorite Madness Mantra (no I am not going to link TVTropes).

              Now on the surface of it that seems pretty anti-authoritarian. You'd think so, right? But it runs into the same problem the hardcore proponents of the BSD license do when they start talking about the GPL: that being, the knock-on effects a few nodes down. What do you think would happen to society if there were no taxes at all? Don't knee-jerk here; think, really hard, about what services would disappear, what might plausibly replace them, how access to those replacements might work...all the while keeping in mind that human nature is nasty as Hell.

              Why do I compare this mindset with that of the anti-GPL fanatics? Simple: because it rests on the same basic fallacy, that being "the smallest absolute number of rules/restrictions will at all times produce maximum freedom."

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              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday March 23 2018, @03:02PM (16 children)

                You think services, voted for by electors in return for votes at the polls by the majority, are anything but the majority robbing the minority with legislation rather than arms? Interesting. Absurd but interesting.

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                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 24 2018, @01:40AM (15 children)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday March 24 2018, @01:40AM (#657340) Journal

                  Not absurd in the least dear Uzzard. And with precedent going back to the Bronze Age if not before. You're another one who doesn't quite grasp this "social contract" thing...

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                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday March 24 2018, @10:42AM (14 children)

                    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday March 24 2018, @10:42AM (#657457) Homepage Journal

                    Social contracts can take many forms. The one in with the US government was never about the government holding your hand through life. It was never supposed to even be allowed to do anything of the kind. Read the constitution again some time. It's pretty clear what was intended. What we have today should be about 90% illegal by that document and subsequent amendments.

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                    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday March 24 2018, @05:34PM (13 children)

                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday March 24 2018, @05:34PM (#657593) Journal

                      Well, yes, 90+% of just about *everything* we do today would be, if not illegal, at least not covered or enumerated in the Constitution. No one seems to remember the ninth and tenth amendments so much, which is the reason why.

                      That said, when push comes to shove you have to ask yourself: ideology or people? Beware the moral equivalent of the priority inversion bug here.

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                      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday March 25 2018, @02:13AM (12 children)

                        When the ideal in question is liberty, ideals every single time. I have no problem with the government promoting the general welfare but there is an enormous difference between promoting and ensuring. One is simply making sure that those willing to strive have a reasonable chance of success, the other is taking from producers and giving to leeches.

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                        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday March 25 2018, @02:21AM (11 children)

                          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday March 25 2018, @02:21AM (#657756) Journal

                          Congratulations, with "the other" you have just described crony capitalism. You are so close, so, so close, to having that "come to Jesus" moment...

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                          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday March 25 2018, @02:40AM (10 children)

                            It also describes anything resembling socialist or communist ideologies. When you take what one man has earned and give it to someone completely undeserving in exchange for power, it is evil no matter what you call it.

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                            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday March 25 2018, @04:21AM (9 children)

                              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday March 25 2018, @04:21AM (#657789) Journal

                              Define "earned," "undeserving," and "power." And, for that matter, expand on your metaethical framework and ethics, so I know whether you actually have a worldview that includes a coherent set of morals.

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                              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday March 25 2018, @11:36AM (8 children)

                                Given: Money is an abstraction used to store and exchange values of human effort; physical, mental, or otherwise.

                                Earned: Either having personally produced or exchanged an agreed upon sum of money, goods, or effort for in a voluntary arrangement. Acquired without placing duress upon any other human.

                                Undeserving: Having neither produced nor exchanged an agreed upon value in a voluntary arrangement for something.

                                Power: The ability to cause something to happen or stop something from happening.

                                Those are the Cliffs Notes definitions anyway.

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                                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday March 25 2018, @03:52PM (7 children)

                                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday March 25 2018, @03:52PM (#657942) Journal

                                  You have *got* to be the Violently-Imposed Monopoly guy. You gave basically a capsule summary of every ranting post he's ever made.

                                  Okay, most of that sounds fairly standard so far. Now let's hear your ethics and your meta-ethical framework. You may very well not actually have any epistemic right to declare something good or evil...

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                                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday March 25 2018, @05:21PM (6 children)

                                    Nope, I don't have any alter egos here. Not even as AC. Everything I say gets my name stamped on it.

                                    My personal codes go something like this:
                                    Never violate anyone else's rights or harm them unless they are trying to violate your rights or harm you.
                                    Never tolerate violations of your own rights.
                                    Try to help people you see in need of help if you're able unless they're abusing your good nature.
                                    Care for those closest to you before extending your hand to those you're not as close to.

                                    That's about it as far as my general morality goes. If you want specific examples, you'll need to ask specific questions but pretty much everything is going to flow from the above.

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                                    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday March 25 2018, @07:41PM (5 children)

                                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday March 25 2018, @07:41PM (#658035) Journal

                                      And more or less everyone runs on that; that's a slightly modified form of reciprocal ethics, an idea that humans had figured over a thousand years before Christ. Just...where do these "rights" you speak of come from?

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                                      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday March 26 2018, @10:01PM (4 children)

                                        Wal-Mart, though I think you can get them cheaper on Amazon.

                                        Seriously though, wrong question. Rights don't need to come from anywhere. Rights are what we call freedoms that we refuse to allow any person or group to take from us. They require no external vindication.

                                        Thanks for asking that though. I'd never put the thought necessary to articulate it in before.

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                                        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday March 27 2018, @02:11AM (3 children)

                                          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday March 27 2018, @02:11AM (#658750) Journal

                                          > "Rights are what we call freedoms that we refuse to allow any person or group to take from us"

                                          Okay, so according to you, these things are basically just feelz, defended if necessary by force. ...wow.

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                                          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday March 27 2018, @10:36AM (2 children)

                                            Nope, complete freedom is the baseline. Go out in the middle of the woods all by your lonesome. Call a tree all the names you can think of at the top of your lungs, then shoot it, then run around naked for a while, then flop a turd wherever you like and wipe your ass with a convenient rabbit. Liberty isn't what's given to you, it's what you have by default until you surrender bits of it in order to get along with others. It is our natural state.

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                                            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday March 27 2018, @02:46PM (1 child)

                                              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday March 27 2018, @02:46PM (#658990) Journal

                                              Excellent. Please re-read what you wrote a few times, specifically that "in order to get along with others" part, and ponder than not only we but our ancestral primate cousins are social animals. You'll get this eventually...

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                                              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday March 28 2018, @10:30AM

                                                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday March 28 2018, @10:30AM (#659426) Homepage Journal

                                                I'm quite aware of what I said and its implications. Not harming others or violating their rights without reason is quite sufficient for social interaction on any scale. Anyone demanding more than that I have no desire to interact with except with a weapon in my hand.

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        • (Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday March 21 2018, @03:16PM

          by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 21 2018, @03:16PM (#656127)

          I am not right-wing. Both wings are currently full of authoritarians

          I'll toss out some recruitment memes that as an anarcho presumably lowercase "L" libertarian you'd find life under right wing authoritarianism much more pleasant than left wing authoritarianism, just looking at last centuries death counts as a predictor of future performance.

          A common meme from former libertarian-types now in the new right, is that given three paths, authoritarian leftism, passive centrism (who fights for the center, anymore... anyone?), authoritarian right, the only eventual path to libertarianism is thru the right, and they make some fairly decent historical analogies. Right wing authoritarianism led to the Declaration of Independence, communist dictatorships not so much, for very short example. A large part of that is historically right wing authoritarian dictatorships were a nice place to live unless your idea of libertarianism was "workers of the world unite" stuff in which case they are very bad places to live indeed, and contemporary propaganda about those dictatorships focuses solely on leftist revolution as being the only legitimate goal of libertarian freedom therefore the right wing dictatorships were evil, which should worry anyone interested in freedom or libertarianism for any purpose other than leftist revolution (we're only keeping the intellectuals around till the revolution succeeds, then they get cleansed is a typical left plan)

          Also in the 60s the commies claimed they had all the girls so tune in drop out get some or however it went; the modern analogy is in the 10s the right wing has all the dank memes, we're simply more fun to hang out with.

          There's also the cultural aspect that the new right has siphoned off most of the mid to right wing of the small L libertarians such that whats left of either small L or big L libertarians is basically the commies, except these ones want to smoke pot all day. So as an individual you can do what you want but as a group theres not many left in the group except "legalize it" and commie sympathizers. Whom you may or may not want to hang out with. But if you want to hang out with the old crew they're all new-right or alt-right or since Trump won "We the mainstream right now" which is hyper triggering to the leftists.

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by cocaine overdose on Wednesday March 21 2018, @02:15AM

    My first reaction was to brush him off as another dumb and mad man, but there's a certain subtlety to it. Like a Ramleh album or the smell of your own asshole/belly button/behind the ear, there's something that keeps you reading. VLM is extremism for the sake of art, not for the pedestrian goal of "disseminating the truth." He writes as he does, because he's preforming. The delivery is just right that you know for sure he's not your average political weenie, but like Hayden's 94th, you think you're getting a certain dish, but he turns the tables around and takes the restaurant hostage.
  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday March 21 2018, @02:49PM (3 children)

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 21 2018, @02:49PM (#656112)

    As such, it's more productive (despite what I said here [soylentnews.org]) to just mock him and move on.

    I strongly endorse my intellectual opponents use of that tactic; nothing provides debate winning points for factual observations and reasoned analysis quite like a comeback of "yeah, well, so what if that's all true, because you got cooties". So yeah, keep right on doing that. As a way of looking at and modeling the world, leftism and progressivism is so obsolete and past its due date that there really is no other possible response that can be taken more seriously. In the streets there's violence, I guess. Brings up the old Ghandi quote ending in "and then you win". The times they are a-changing.

    I admit I enjoy finding extreme stuff to quote, but if you actually google you'll find it was all true. Serious left wing propaganda about how Friends is now problematic because of episodes like "the one where Monica was fat-shamed", or the time Joey carried around a womans purse so they teased him about going trans, or the time Ross or one of the guys basically raped some chick by not asking for consent 55 times after she had a sip of booze, and many other things. In the 90s only Marxists watched Friends, in the 10s only Nazis watch Friends. Also the Thomas thing, insane as it makes leftists sound, is also real, its very problematic by current standards that Thomas doesn't have any black engine friends and Lady Hatt always wears dresses in support of oppression by the patriarchy and crazy stuff like that.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Wednesday March 21 2018, @04:05PM (2 children)

      by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Wednesday March 21 2018, @04:05PM (#656162) Homepage Journal

      I strongly endorse my intellectual opponents use of that tactic; nothing provides debate winning points for factual observations and reasoned analysis quite like a comeback of "yeah, well, so what if that's all true, because you got cooties". So yeah, keep right on doing that. As a way of looking at and modeling the world, leftism and progressivism is so obsolete and past its due date that there really is no other possible response that can be taken more seriously. In the streets there's violence, I guess. Brings up the old Ghandi quote ending in "and then you win". The times they are a-changing.

      I admit I enjoy finding extreme stuff to quote, but if you actually google you'll find it was all true. Serious left wing propaganda about how Friends is now problematic because of episodes like "the one where Monica was fat-shamed", or the time Joey carried around a womans purse so they teased him about going trans, or the time Ross or one of the guys basically raped some chick by not asking for consent 55 times after she had a sip of booze, and many other things. In the 90s only Marxists watched Friends, in the 10s only Nazis watch Friends. Also the Thomas thing, insane as it makes leftists sound, is also real, its very problematic by current standards that Thomas doesn't have any black engine friends and Lady Hatt always wears dresses in support of oppression by the patriarchy and crazy stuff like that.

      Thanks! You made me laugh out loud.

      I have no idea where you get this stuff, but the only person I've *ever* heard blathering on about that bullshit is you, VLM.

      Please do tell where you find these batshit crazy people who appear to piss you off so much, so I can stay away from them. If you *really* want some wacky stuff to wave around and proclaim to any who will listen to you that these are the "mainstream" folks out there who call themselves "the left" or "progressives", check these sites out:
      https://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/ [wordpress.com]
      https://witchwind.wordpress.com/ [wordpress.com]
      https://factcheckme.wordpress.com/ [wordpress.com]
      https://reallyrad.wordpress.com/ [wordpress.com]
      https://twanzphobic.wordpress.com/ [wordpress.com]
      That should keep you in material for weeks.

      Just for the record, those (as well as the crap you spewed) aren't reasonable, rational people. And they're not mainstream *anything* They're mostly angry and batshit crazy.

      And for the record, your statement

      In the streets there's violence, I guess.

      while true, is quite disingenuous. By pretty much every measure, the *entire world* (based on violent death per capita from war, crime, even accidents) has been declining for *centuries* with a few upticks like WWI and WWII. That trend has *accelerated* over the past 70 years. In fact, we currently live in the most peaceful, prosperous and free world in human history (and almost certainly pre-history, but since we have no records of pre-history, we'll leave that aside).

      So. Let's see. You make misleading statements about the state of the world. You find angry, unbalanced and flat-out batshit crazy people and call them mainstream "leftists" and progressives. Not even close.

      What's more, actual, real, honest-to-goodness leftists have *never* had any power in the US. Ever. The vast majority that you paint with that broad brush are center-left and center-right. Although I suppose from your extreme far-right perspective, Duterte is commie, right?

      Please do continue. You provide a valuable service. It's so much fun mocking you VLM. And thanks again for a good time!

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      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday March 23 2018, @02:13AM (1 child)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday March 23 2018, @02:13AM (#656976) Journal

        I am so glad I'm not the only one fighting this tide of rancid right-wing sludge that's inundated this form. Place is starting to look like 8chan, only dumber...thank you for rolling this Sisyphean rock up this hateful Hadean shitpile time and time again with me.

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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by VLM on Wednesday March 21 2018, @02:58PM

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 21 2018, @02:58PM (#656119)

    Just look at this post. It's completely off-topic

    It seemed fairly obvious to me, that if fictional leftist dystopias like 1984 and Brave New World, had employees of the ministry of truth continually rewriting history books such that we've always been at war with eastasia and so forth, in the social media era in our current leftist dystopia, we obviously need someone rewriting social media history such that Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends are nazi and have always been nazi and always will be nazi for today's two minutes hate, and the whole topic of the article is people willing to pay for social media image re-engineering services.

    Someone has to send Tomas, Friends, Original Star Trek, numerous other cultural artifacts to the memory hole to cleanse facebook of anything to the right of good old Marx himself, so its a good corporate opportunity.