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The third largest breach ever just happened in Finland. Passwords were stored in plaintext. At T-Mobile Austria, they explain that of course they store the password in plaintext, but they have so good security so it's nothing to worry about. At what point does this become criminally negligent?
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(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 08 2018, @03:21PM (43 children)
Actually what would change things is if CxOs start going to prison for their crimes. Fines aren't really a big problem when in most/all cases it's just the Government taking their cut of the profits.
Why punish hundreds or thousands of people when you could just punish the people responsible? If you really want to penalize bad behavior it's inefficient and ineffective to kill the company with huge fines and hurt lots of employees. Just start throwing the people responsible into prison and then you'd see changes.
Even many psychopath CEOs would change their practices in such cases. Especially when most of them can't achieve their objectives as easily from prison. In contrast fining the company might not really prevent them from achieving what they want.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 08 2018, @03:33PM (41 children)
Better idea: make them pay personally, and then when they inevitably go bankrupt, THEN send them to jail, so they get out penniless and have to experience life as working-poor.
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(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday April 08 2018, @04:06PM
I LIKE EVEN MORE! :)
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(Score: 1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 08 2018, @04:49PM (36 children)
You'd immediately have nobody on the entire planet willing to take a CxO job at all. Things like this are why thinking with your feelz is flat retarded.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 08 2018, @04:53PM (16 children)
Sounds like the market shifting :) We don't have too many buggy whip manufacturers either. Cry harder.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 08 2018, @08:25PM (15 children)
Call it what you like, someone has to sit in the big chair and make the hard decisions. And they're going to want paid and paid well for it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Sunday April 08 2018, @11:36PM (1 child)
Incorrect. There does not have to be a Big Chair. It is possible for an organization to operate without singling out one person to be The Leader. Airlines have learned that "the captain is God" is not as effective as giving the other pilots more input and discretion. Too many times, a crash happened because there was more going on than any one person, no matter how talented, could handle.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @01:56AM
Possible != desirable. Get more than three people together and they won't even be able to decide what pizza toppings to get in a timely manner. One person is best where the job can be done by one person.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @01:47AM (11 children)
And you deny this needs to come with the responsibility for one's (CxO) actions, responsibility including jail time for malfeasance and/or gross negligence?
Seriously, dude? How this plays together with your declared libertarian streak?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @01:53AM (10 children)
It has nothing to do with liberty is how. The board of directors and the CEO are the only ones involved in his employment contract. If the board wants to write shitty contracts without penalties for shitty performance, that's their business. If I were their shareholder I'd damned sure make it my business as well but it's nobody else's.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @02:22AM (9 children)
And if your are their customer? Or a person affected by their "dump of externalities"?
Like polluting your drinking water [onearth.org] to keep up with the Chinese appetite for spam or delivering it by means that make it toxic [wikipedia.org]?
Or even lobbying and making a profit from poisoning you [nih.gov]?
Really, you don't see anything wrong with the CxO's business decisions in those cases?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @02:57AM (8 children)
Then you sue. Or press charges. Or both.
Illegal acts are illegal acts. Ordering illegal acts is also a prosecutable crime, regardless of the letters by your name (unless those letters spell "Sen.", "Rep.", or the like). If you don't like that some things are not currently illegal, there is a proper process already in place to deal with that.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @04:08AM (7 children)
Apart from "Good luck with that", how often you've seen any CxO made to pay over negligent or criminal behavior?
Flint water crisis [wikipedia.org]:
Pig farm pollution cases [chicagotribune.com] - only one example of suits-leading-nowhere, you can find heaps of others:
Lead plumbing lobby? Never received even a slap-on-the-wrist, they arranged the laws and regulations for ages [nih.gov]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @04:31AM (6 children)
That's an "enforce the laws on the books" problem not a "we need new laws" problem.
Stop voting for lizards just because the wrong lizard might win if you don't. If you want honest, or something that at least looks like honesty in dim lighting, representatives, don't vote for dishonest ones.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @04:50AM (5 children)
Good advises.
When do you (all) start?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @05:04AM (4 children)
Reforming the system is not one of my goals. I don't believe it can be achieved. I'm working the "burn it down and start over" angle.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @05:09AM (3 children)
While angling for fish? Seems quite a subtle way of being subversive
(grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @06:26AM (2 children)
Heh, being able to hunt and fish could very well become valuable skills in the not too distant future. Plus, fishing relaxes me and I don't see any need to get all stressed out just because a shitty government is in need of toppling. If the US government can manage it, anyone should be able to.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @06:33AM (1 child)
Or useless skills due to the extinction of any life on the hunting/fishing grounds by the local hog farming baron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @07:00AM
Sounds good to me. I know how to hunt hogs and there's no such thing as too much bacon.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Informative) by archfeld on Monday April 09 2018, @02:09AM
So why don't they make the hard decisions ? Instead they make the profit, reap the rewards and deny the responsibility all in one breath.
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(Score: 5, Touché) by HiThere on Sunday April 08 2018, @05:07PM (1 child)
Actually, with a reasonable interpretation of "due diligence" you'd probably have lots of people willing to be CxOs. Just not quite the same selection, and that would probably be a benefit.
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(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 08 2018, @08:27PM
I want you to consider how many lawsuits get found for the complainant in this nation every year on the grounds of negligence. People aren't that negligent but hindsight is always 20/20.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 08 2018, @06:50PM
Sounds good to me! None of those fuck stains are worth what they're paid anyway.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 08 2018, @07:50PM (1 child)
You think with your feelz all the fucking time, otherwise you'd be capable of walking back when people prove you wrong. But those feelz have a death grip on your brain, so taxes == theft, etc. Here's a stone bub, try not to break your own house.
(Score: 0, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 08 2018, @08:29PM
Prove me wrong on something and we'll know.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Sunday April 08 2018, @11:02PM (13 children)
So you are not really a Libertarian, you are an anarchist.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 08 2018, @11:17PM
What gives you that idea?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday April 09 2018, @02:14AM (11 children)
He doesn't have a coherent political position. What he does have is bits of barstool wisdom like "All taxation is theft." That, and an ego the size of Mt. Rushmore that leaves him with much too high an opinion of himself and his own worldview.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @02:21AM (10 children)
s/All/Involuntary/
If you're going to speak for me, do so correctly.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday April 09 2018, @02:40AM (9 children)
This is the first time I've ever heard or seen you qualify that. In the past it's always been a flat-out condemnation of the entire idea of taxation.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @03:17AM (8 children)
Fair enough. Like everyone else, I'm not always utterly precise. I have zero issue with voluntary taxation except possibly minor debates on specific rates. My issue is with the use of force to compel anyone to give you money. Done by anyone but a government, that is a crime. Why is it suddenly moral if a government does it? "Government" is not a magic word that makes anything they feel like doing morally correct.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday April 09 2018, @04:56AM (7 children)
You *sure* you're not Mr. Vim? You keep saying basically the same stuff he does.
We've been over this road before, and as I recall, last time I brought up the idea of a social contract, you more or less said "I didn't sign any contract" without actually putting it in those words. You have, at least, this time hit on the essential difference between legal and moral, but where do you get your morals from and what grounds them, ontologically speaking?
Last time, your answer to that was basically "the natural state of humanity is liberty." Well, perhaps so, but the natural state of humanity is ALSO sleeping up a tree, prey to any horrible murdercat or awful ague that comes along, with a good chance of being dead in your 30s even if you survive past age 5, which you have barely even odds of doing. Taxes may not be natural, but "natural" doesn't define good or evil.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @05:46AM (6 children)
Well, I do code entirely in vim but, no, I never post here under a pseudonym of any kind. My nick here is what I've answered to since I was sixteen unless I was doing something official paperworky.
Where do you get morals from? I had a couple paragraphs typed up citing Judeo-Christian philosophy, Wicca, Buddhism, and other stuff in answer but really, they come from my bathroom mirror. If I can look in it and be happy with what looks back is what my morals are grounded upon. Basing your morality on anything but an extremely thorough self inspection is the act of a coward. Passing the buck to the writings of dead men is a cop out. By all means take wisdom anywhere you can find it but the responsibility for your thoughts, speech, and actions is entirely your own.
The point of "the natural state of humanity is liberty" isn't that natural is good. It was that rights do not need to originate from anywhere. They're what was always there before you started allowing them to be taken away. It's like asking where darkness originates from. It doesn't, it's the absence of light.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday April 09 2018, @02:50PM (5 children)
How utterly solipsistic...or maybe you're just not used to digging this far down.
Okay, so you say your morals come only from you and whether or not you're happy with "what you see in the mirror." But what standard are you using to judge that? WHY would doing X or Y or Z make you unhappy? THAT'S what we mean by the grounding of morals. I don't think it's as self-centered as you think, and it's certainly not as much about simple introspection in a vacuum.
And, sorry, but *all* of these concepts need derived from somewhere. That is foundationalism for you. These "rights" need to be built on something. What is it?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @04:02PM (4 children)
You seem to feel the need for something other than yourself to base your own morality on. I don't. Basing your morality on something external is just an attempt at pushing a responsibility that is solely your own upon something beyond your control so that you don't have to take responsibility for yourself. Even were there an all knowing/powerful creator who had decreed a set of moral principles in fire across the sky, it would not obviate your personal responsibility to decide right and wrong for yourself.
No, they are not. You really can't understand that rights are not something given to you but something you innately possess, can you? You need an authority to point to and say "here is where rights and morality come from". Why? Authority is what needs to be derived, rights simply exist.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday April 09 2018, @07:25PM (3 children)
You don't do logic so well, do you?
I am not saying "there needs to be an authority." YOU are. I am saying "show me the ontological grounding of these rights you say we have." It's not enough to stamp your feet and pout and say "They just ARE, so THERE! *prrrrbtphsth*" For once in your goddamn life, stop relying on the stereotypes you THINK apply to other people and use your head.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @09:26PM (2 children)
Sigh. You keep thinking of rights as positively existing entities. They are not any more than darkness or vacuum is. They are an abstract name for the the absence of someone else's will conflicting with your own. They need no grounding because they are not an affirmative thing.
Any conscious being placed alone in an area has complete liberty (all possible rights) until another entity comes along and wishes their thoughts, speech, actions, etc... to be limited for some reason. Rights are defined when some measure of liberty is addressed that a desire to curtail it exists for. Then and only then can they potentially become the arbitrarily defined, limited subset of complete liberty that we call a "right" to be protected or surrendered.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 10 2018, @03:24AM (1 child)
Okay, NOW we're getting somewhere :) THAT is their ontological grounding. They are an epiphenomenon of who and what we as humans are, as well as our environment.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 10 2018, @04:11AM
More a product of interaction with other sentient beings, I'd say. I mean you currently have the right to spontaneously turn bright purple if you so desire. It's just not something that's likely to come up so the right itself isn't going to have its boundaries precisely defined. Or it's like "how many possible arcs are there in a circle?". There are an infinite number that are going to undefined in any given circle simply because they're not currently relevant to anything.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 08 2018, @07:00PM
Not even jail. Put him on work release. Bring back chain gangs and medical experiments on prisoners, keep them alive forever and put a web cam in their cell. Bathe them in 50F water from the fire hose.
But seriously, we do need to put these people into the poorhouse and disperse their assets and estates. That should be sufficient. Let them find their own room and board for a while.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Joe Desertrat on Monday April 09 2018, @09:53AM (1 child)
Save the taxpayers the expense of jail, just take away their assets and force them to live on minimum wage for ten years or so...
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 10 2018, @03:25AM
I like your thinking and wish to subscribe to your RSS feed :)
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday April 08 2018, @04:06PM
I LIKE!
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