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posted by Fnord666 on Monday April 09 2018, @05:52AM   Printer-friendly
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London Mayor Sadiq Khan is cracking down on the carrying of knives in response to a spate of stabbings that pushed the city's murder rate past New York's for the "first time in modern history."

Khan deployed an additional 300 Metropolitan Police officers over the weekend to work exclusively against knife crime, urging them to be more "confident" in their authority to stop anyone suspected of carrying a weapon.

"What you will see over the course of the next few weeks and months — is what we have seen over the last few weeks and months — which is stop-and-search based on suspicion of carrying an offensive weapon going up, more arrests as a consequence of this intelligence-led stop-and-search going up and hopefully our city becoming safer," the mayor said Saturday, according to The Telegraph.

Khan also issued a warning to would-be knife carriers, saying they should think twice before bringing one out in public — whatever the reason.

"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife," Khan said on Twitter. "Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."

Source: http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/08/london-murder-rate-knives/


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Bot on Monday April 09 2018, @06:22AM (68 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Monday April 09 2018, @06:22AM (#664234) Journal

    It's as if reducing a complex problem on a single parameter and acting blindly on it didn't solve the problem, as theory and practice taught us infinite times.

    Let's be serious. The people in charge have their plan and arms reduction is part of it. It came from the nazi right in the 30s, now it comes from the left, this just proves the color of the flag does not matter.
    Banning guns SURELY resulted in less deaths. You know what would give us even less deaths? A checkpoint on every street corner, a ban on all communication that does not flow from a centralized server. The same system that caused the havoc of modern society is eager to offer us a solution, and threaten chaos should meatbags not accept it.

    Also, it's interesting to witness the moderation of moderate Islam. Sadiq khan has already spoken against too revealing females in advertising posters IIRC.

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @06:29AM (67 children)

    Um... Nazis were leftists.

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    • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:39AM (20 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:39AM (#664252)

      Um... Nazis were leftists.

      I guess only for the current Nazis called "Trumpsters"?? In the real world, Nazis are what we call "extreme far right".

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by FakeBeldin on Monday April 09 2018, @07:43AM (10 children)

        by FakeBeldin (3360) on Monday April 09 2018, @07:43AM (#664280) Journal

        Oh, I'm sure TMB can find something they did in the political spectrum that does not fit the "right" category, ergo it must fit the "left" category.

        There are more aspects to politics than can be graded on a two-point scale.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 09 2018, @11:44AM (8 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @11:44AM (#664365) Journal

          While you guys are poking fun at TMB, the Nazis gained power by appealing to the SOCIALIST Nationalists. Like socialists everywhere, they wore that kid-glove of socialism until they had power, then they showed their iron fist of power.

          Hitler and Stalin were so very much alike, in so many ways.

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @12:33PM (7 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @12:33PM (#664378)

            "Hitler and Stalin were so very much alike, in so many ways."

            No they weren't. Stalin murdered over 40 Million Russian civilians. Hitler murdered 0.0 Million Germans. Big difference.

            • (Score: 4, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 09 2018, @01:17PM (5 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @01:17PM (#664389) Journal

              Actually, the majority of those killed by Stalin were not Russians. Let's see - there were Armenians, Azerbaijani, Belarussians, Estonians, Georgians, Kazakhstani, Kyrgystans, Latvians, Lithuanians, Moldovans, Tajikstani, Turkmenistani, Ukrainians, and Uzbekstani - and those are just the official members of the USSR, not counting the client nations. https://www.thoughtco.com/what-was-the-ussr-1434459 [thoughtco.com]

              More here - http://www.wisegeek.org/which-countries-were-part-of-the-soviet-union.htm [wisegeek.org]

              Sattelite nations included Poland, East German, Czechoslovakia, Hungry, Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia.

              It may also interest you to know that Stalin was not a Russian at all. Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili 18 December 1878 Gori, Tiflis Governorate, Caucasus Viceroyalty, Russian Empire Note the "empire" portion of that birthplace - he wasn't born "Russian", any more than a Jew was born a Roman.

              Now, you've made me kinda curious. Did Stalin kill as many Georgians, proportionately, as he killed other people? Or, did he go easy on his kin?

              As for Hitler - he killed a fair number of his fellow Germans. Have you forgotten Jews, Gypsies, political opponents, homosexuals, mental deficients, and probably more that I can't think of at the moment? I really fail to see your "big difference". Maybe you can explain it better.

              • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday April 09 2018, @02:09PM (2 children)

                by Bot (3902) on Monday April 09 2018, @02:09PM (#664423) Journal

                Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin was Georgian.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:57PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:57PM (#664606)

                Those living under Stalin's rule were (loosely) called Russian. One cannot go into individual nationalities and geographical areas and cities.

                http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789 [ibtimes.com]

                Your whitewashing of history is not going well although you tried.

                "he killed a fair number of his fellow Germans"

                Please link me to reliable sources for the above. Real history, as opposed to propaganda and court history. Your accusations are serious, so the evidence better be real good and reliable.

                And going back to your original statement: "Hitler and Stalin were so very much alike, in so many ways."

                Please enumerate those many ways that Hitler and Stalin were alike. Stalin was hated and feared during his rule. Hitler was loved and respected very much during his brief period of leadership. Hitler was one of the greatest men who ever lived.

                • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday April 09 2018, @11:47PM

                  by Bot (3902) on Monday April 09 2018, @11:47PM (#664742) Journal

                  Please enumerate those many ways that Hitler and Stalin were alike.
                  1. moustaches
                  2. too little military training
                  3. slight personality disorders

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            • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday April 09 2018, @07:05PM

              by tangomargarine (667) on Monday April 09 2018, @07:05PM (#664609)

              No they weren't. Stalin murdered over 40 Million Russian civilians. Hitler murdered 0.0 Million Germans. Big difference.

              So we're defining Jews as non-Germans?

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        • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Monday April 09 2018, @12:20PM

          by PiMuNu (3823) on Monday April 09 2018, @12:20PM (#664377)

          I think they were economically socialist weren't they? I mean, massive government spending on huge military requires high taxation; implicit in total war is extreme repression of civil liberties (rationing, curfew, etc) which I think is rather Big government/socialist in outlook. Many independent factories/merchant ships/etc were commandeered for the war effort, and I believe this was done on a non-financial basis. The British, for example, had similar sort of systems in place. This is all rather socialist/communist.

          They may have promoted an economically right-wing rhetoric. I have never really dug into the econmical, philosophical and ethical background to the nazis (Nietzsche etc I guess). I'm just saying in practice they were Big government.

          It all rather depends what you mean by right-wing of course.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by qzm on Monday April 09 2018, @07:47AM (6 children)

        by qzm (3260) on Monday April 09 2018, @07:47AM (#664281)

        The NAZI party was a solidly centralist party with plenty of left wind policy included.
        They were however a populist totalitarian party, using strong identity politics to separate people in to groups.
        These days they would sit quite fare to the left of the democratic party.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by GDX on Monday April 09 2018, @09:00AM (5 children)

          by GDX (1950) on Monday April 09 2018, @09:00AM (#664307)

          I didn't find practically nothing that the NAZI party did that wasn't done by the left in their time, even lot of thing that the people tell that are right wing are actually part of what the left do, even more on that time. Some self proclaimed left independentist movements of today if you analyze their actual behavior their are basically doing the same that the nazis did only with a some minimal differences. For me the approach to socialism of the nazis where a pragmatic one while the communist is a idealist one.

          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @09:28AM (4 children)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @09:28AM (#664317) Journal

            For me the approach to socialism of the nazis where a pragmatic one while the communist is a idealist one.

            Are you sure that's what it is for you? If positive, you aren't very discerning.
            Killing the untermensch and paying the military industry (Krupp, IG Carbon, Messerschmitt, Topf & Söhne [wikipedia.org], etc) qualify as 'pragmatic socialism' to you?

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @01:38PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @01:38PM (#664397)

              It was IG Farben [wikipedia.org] not IG Carbon (maybe you confused it with Union Carbide).

              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @02:03PM

                by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @02:03PM (#664417) Journal

                Yes. I blame the shitty auto-correct on my mobile (good pastime on the train commute, shit like this can happen though).

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            • (Score: 1) by GDX on Monday April 09 2018, @02:03PM (1 child)

              by GDX (1950) on Monday April 09 2018, @02:03PM (#664415)

              But the minorities where also killed by the Russia communists, the Chinese communist under the cultural revolution, the Khmer Rouge... and about paying the military industry, the communist also did it but in a different way after all under the Nazi ideology is that the private companies where under the will and interest of the country (party to be more exact), basically even if your company was private if the government told you to make firearms you had the obligation to do it and can't oppose that decision.

              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @02:21PM

                by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @02:21PM (#664435) Journal

                But the minorities where also killed by the Russia communists, the Chinese communist under the cultural revolution, the Khmer Rouge...

                And the fact that the Nazi and the communist and Mussolini did the same, make a left from all of them?
                Walk a bit down this line and you'll end in making Richard I a leftist because he taxed hard his nobility to support his crusades, was anti-semitics [wikipedia.org] and killed arabs during the crusades.

                Rather than regarding his kingdom as a responsibility requiring his presence as ruler, he has been perceived as preferring to use it merely as a source of revenue to support his armies
                ...
                When a rumour spread that Richard had ordered all Jews to be killed, the people of London attacked the Jewish population.[54] Many Jewish homes were burned down, and several Jews were forcibly baptised.

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                Watch out, you may finish in making even Trump a leftie: after all he promised infrastructure spending (to be paid from tax-pyers pocket) and a beautiful big wall to be paid by others... if this is not socialism by the TMB's definition, I don't know what else is
                (large grin)

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      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @02:58PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @02:58PM (#664468)
        Based on actual policies, Hitler was actually just barely right of center. But he was an extreme fascist, far north on the political spectrum. Today it's fashionable to make everything bi-polar left/right on the spectrum, but I think people often neglect the fascist/liberal poles.

        I blame the schools.
        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @04:28PM

          Indeed on the north/south axis. What really chaps my ass is that all the major groups on both ends of the left/right axis in western civilization currently sit pretty damned far north towards authoritarianism, just with different professed reasons as to why.

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    • (Score: 5, Funny) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @06:40AM (18 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @06:40AM (#664253) Journal

      Um... Nazis were leftists.

      Only by name.
      Believing this would very very like believing you can fly only because you call yourself a buzzard.

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      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @06:49AM (6 children)

        What exactly are you comparing them to that leads you to think they are anything but the left? Certainly not the modern left. They're less than twenty years from putting on actual jackboots of their own. Not even the left of the WWII adjacent decades because the left then was chock full of other "socialist" dictators.

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        • (Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @08:40AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @08:40AM (#664296) Journal

          What exactly are you comparing them to that leads you to think they are anything but the left?

          You made the claim that they were left.
          If you didn't made the claim based on the name they assumed for themselves (that was my assumption), then please provide the evidence for your claim.

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        • (Score: 5, Informative) by TheRaven on Monday April 09 2018, @09:12AM (4 children)

          by TheRaven (270) on Monday April 09 2018, @09:12AM (#664311) Journal

          What exactly are you comparing them to that leads you to think they are anything but the left?

          How about the fact that they declared communists to be their enemies? The fact that they were in favour of private ownership of the means of production? The fact that they believed that some people were sub-human based on their ethnicity or sexuality?

          Or do you also think that the Democratic Republic of Congo is democratic?

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          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @01:40PM (3 children)

            How about the fact that they declared communists to be their enemies?

            They declared everyone and their dog to be their enemies. Communists were not special in this.

            The fact that they were in favour of private ownership of the means of production?

            <sarcasm>Yes, you can tell this by how they never nationalized anything. Good little capitalists, they were.</sarcasm>

            The fact that they believed that some people were sub-human based on their ethnicity or sexuality?

            So do modern leftists. They're in fact the vast majority of people who care about ethnicity or sexuality at all. They're currently just hating on anyone who's white, male, or heterosexual which is perfectly okay by their logic just as hating Jews and such was perfectly okay by Nazi logic.

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            • (Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Monday April 09 2018, @08:18PM (2 children)

              by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @08:18PM (#664646)

              They're in fact the vast majority of people who care about ethnicity or sexuality at all.

              Methinks that left-right has very little to do with prejudice (other than what group is being pre-judged). Prejudice is inherently human behavior that comes directly from our reptilian brains. Some people are just less adept at suppressing that impulse. Plenty of those on both sides of left-right.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @09:32PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @09:32PM (#664692)

                Prejudice is inherently human behavior that comes directly from our reptilian brains. Some people are just less adept at suppressing that impulse.

                It sounds like you are admitting to being a reptilian who psychically induces prejudice in humans, but are deflecting any blame or responsibility by saying it is only taking advantage of an innate ability. Ie you aren't making any humans do anything, just giving them an impulse. This is where conspiracies come from.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @09:50PM

                Normally I'd agree with you but the left has been cultivating prejudice as a political weapon for several decades now. The right is happy to take advantage of naturally occurring prejudice but it doesn't really put any effort into creating it.

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      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:51AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:51AM (#664262)

        >Mandate sane work hour
        >Construct Autobahn to ensure workers can take their off days on vacations
        >Ensure that Corps benefit the Volk first
        >Control prices of food so farmers can work sustainably
        >Loaning money to start families and then forgiving them
        >not socialist at all

        K.

        • (Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @08:47AM (2 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @08:47AM (#664300) Journal

          But excluding the "Untermensch", right?
          How this makes them "left" (which doesn't discriminate when it comes to welfare) and not just "extreme nationalistic, kill the others and redistribute to yours"?
          Or... do you think that they redistributed the wealth of Krupp or of the IG Farben conglomerate?

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 10 2018, @12:19AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 10 2018, @12:19AM (#664750)

            The left did it with purging traitors and installing party functionaries, what is your point?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @03:55PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @03:55PM (#664506)

          Construct Autobahn to ensure workers can take their off days on vacations

          The true reason for the Autobahn was to enable efficient transport of military equipment towards the border, in preparation of the war they were already planning. Of course that wasn't what they told the people.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 10 2018, @12:16AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 10 2018, @12:16AM (#664747)

            Did you know industrialization also allows production of military hardware?

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by FatPhil on Monday April 09 2018, @11:54AM (4 children)

        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Monday April 09 2018, @11:54AM (#664368) Homepage
        Barely even by name. The "National Socialism" from their name is a one word phrase that cannot simply be split into its two component words that are then interpreted independently.

        Hitler did, however use the single word "socialism" many times to describe himself, but it's clear that this was art of a more populist rhetoric "we must overthrow the elite ruling class, smash the system". This rhetoric, whilst recognisably having a lot in common with socialist rhetoric, is actually the identical rhetoric used by all the downtrodden no matter the politics of the ruling class or what they want to replace it with. SUch statementas actually carry almost no real information. Most revealing is that when giving an explanation of "socialism" Hitler basically described simply nationalism, having nothing in common with anything Marxist. "Whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an extent that he knows no higher ideal than the welfare of the nation; whoever has understood our great national anthem, “Deutschland ueber Alles,” to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes this Germany, people and land — that man is a Socialist." Erm, sorry Addy, nope. So the waters on this matter were already muddied beyond clarification by the early 20s.

        So people who call the Nazi's socialist are just doing what Hitler did.
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @03:08PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @03:08PM (#664474)

          Whaaat? TMB is a hypictite who secretly wants to be Hitler? I'm shocked! Appalled!!

        • (Score: 2) by quacking duck on Monday April 09 2018, @03:14PM (1 child)

          by quacking duck (1395) on Monday April 09 2018, @03:14PM (#664478)

          Good analysis. If America's alt-right think Hitler and the Nazis were at all socialist in practice, then they in fact voted in a dirty socialist in 2016.

          • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday April 09 2018, @09:46PM

            by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Monday April 09 2018, @09:46PM (#664702) Homepage
            Sigh... I'm kinda disappointed nobody detected my deliberate Godwinning in the final sentence. :-)
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    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:44AM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:44AM (#664256)

      Nazi are of course far right extremists, and even American "liberals" are right of center.
      America doesn't really have a left wing, but it soon will as Americans become increasingly class conscious, and turn against their media.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @06:50AM (2 children)

        Yes, class warfare is precisely what every country needs. How else are the politicos supposed to control us if they can't serve us up a convenient enemy to hate instead of them?

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        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @07:26AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @07:26AM (#664273)

          If only you had some class, Minty Frombart! At least some class, even a low class! Middle class? But then, there is nonesuch in Oklahoma, and Tennessee is nothing but low. So sad, too bad. May I recommend your local Community College, once again? You might acquire some knowledge, and hence some class. Or, you can stay the red-neck noodling fisher-person you claim to be, and watch your own country go down in flames, lies, perfidy, and stock-market crashes. And you think you will survive this? Oh, TMB, we are in this together, and you are going down with the rest of us. And your one little "symbolic, never been fired" assault weapon will count for naught. We are coming for your capital gains, Chuck!!!

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @01:01PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @01:01PM (#664385)

          Yes, institutionalized oppression and obscene levels of inequality are precisely what every country needs...

          The problem is not that the politicos control us, but that the extremely wealthy exert undue influence over the politicians and the rest of us as well.

          Why is slavery never called class warfare, only attempts by the victims to end it?

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:59AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:59AM (#664264)

        They're already turning against the media, except they're labeled alt-right, nazis, deplorables and conspiracy theorists. Their class consciousness is apparently racial politics if you believe the media. I hope you get what you wish for :)

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @07:07AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @07:07AM (#664269)

          Death to all elites. Regardless of political labels they apply to themselves, or are applied by others.
          Kill. Them. All.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Monday April 09 2018, @07:19AM (13 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Monday April 09 2018, @07:19AM (#664271) Journal

      For a coder, you are so fucking ignorant, TMB. No wonder you perma-banned Ethanol_fueled. You censorer, you!

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @08:59AM (12 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @08:59AM (#664306) Journal

        No wonder you perma-banned Ethanol_fueled

        [Citation needed]
        No, I'm not confrontational, I'm genuinely curios about the details of a ban on eth.

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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Monday April 09 2018, @09:17AM (11 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Monday April 09 2018, @09:17AM (#664313) Journal

          Right now, see archfeld's journal, https://soylentnews.org/~archfeld/journal/ [soylentnews.org] for what is left. Only half-seriously pointing a finger at the mighty buss, since none of the eds seem to know what is going on. Check IRC, #Editorial, as usual. Curious, don't you think?

          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @09:53AM (10 children)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @09:53AM (#664324) Journal

            Check IRC, #Editorial, as usual.

            I must admit, that would be far from the usual for me. This is why my thanks for the linky.

            Curious, don't you think?

            Intriguing, yes.
            In particular, the fact that the IP of an anonymous poster may be used for permabaning, which means it is somehow recorded.
            Does it mean S/N can provide the usian agencies with a log of past activity originated from an IP if requested?

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            • (Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Monday April 09 2018, @09:59AM (7 children)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Monday April 09 2018, @09:59AM (#664328) Journal

              And here I was just wondering why Auzzies would need a chainsaw to cut up their steaks, unless the 'Roo is really that tough? Yes, I too have been IP banned. So much for anonymity and cowardice on the high seas of free speech at SoylentNews. All you have to do, apparently, is spam mod The Moulting Buzzard, and you, too, could be ip banned! Fun for all ages.

              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @12:06PM (1 child)

                by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @12:06PM (#664372) Journal

                And here I was just wondering why Auzzies would need a chainsaw to cut up their steaks, unless the 'Roo is really that tough?

                Naah, it's the size of the steak - a knife just isn't large enough to cut through it and, if it is it (that's a knife, remember?), it's too much effort, you'll be exhausted before getting through the 24 stubs in a slab of beer you have to have before dessert.

                Yes, I too have been IP banned.

                TMB: Is S/N able to offer to any agency requesting it (with a mandate) the collection of all messages originated from any IP?

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                • (Score: 4, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @01:48PM

                  No. We'd have to build a rainbow table for the salt + every possible IP address we hash together and then store for a maximum of two weeks. It allows us to do adminy tasks based on IP address without being able to find out what that address actually is.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @03:12PM (4 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @03:12PM (#664476)

                TMB stated this before, IPs are stored as hashes but with a little effort he could dig in the db and find out each poster's IP address. SN is not the surveillance free platform you think. Better than some I'm sure, but given the extreme views of some here it feels a little more like a honey pot.

                • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @04:46PM (3 children)

                  s/a little/considerable/

                  Building and searching a rainbow table that includes every IPv4 address is no trivial task. If you're using an IPv6 address, it's simply not possible and never will be. Even with all physically possible storage improvements, you'd need a storage device nearly as large as the moon just to hold the table. Searching it would take calculating capacity and power consumption beyond belief.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:29PM (2 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:29PM (#664587)

                    Nice backpedaling, I'm glad we only have to take your unassailable WORD for it.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @09:07PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @09:07PM (#664677)

                      You know, you can read the source...

                    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @09:54PM

                      Read the source and do the math. If you really want to make sure, join the staff and verify it for yourself. We've never turned anyone away who was willing to save us a bit of effort.

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            • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday April 09 2018, @06:40PM (1 child)

              by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @06:40PM (#664594) Journal

              Does it mean S/N can provide the usian agencies with a log of past activity originated from an IP if requested?

              No - we have a one-way hash of the IP address. So we can tell when posts come from the same source, but we cannot tell where that source is. Now, if some idiots use the same IP for their UID and when posting as AC it doesn't take much to link the two together. But we have nothing to give to anyone that demands to see any activity from a specific IP.

              Furthermore, if some want to post as AC using some of the popular VPNs, and that VPN is also being used to spam or flood the site, then they will also be blocked if we pull the plug on that VPN, either permanently or temporarily. Your anonymity comes at a price - for you.

              Next, if EF is still posting to his journals complaining about being 'permabanned' then he must be a bit slow on the uptake - how can he be posting on the site if, as he claims, he is banned from posting to the site? The truth is that he is not, and never was, banned from the site. But he was probably using an IP that was also being used by something that we had to protect the site against. That is why the editors were discussing the claim by EF that he had been banned - his claim is rubbish.

              And finally, when Ari starts stirring it all up you can almost guarantee that his is talking out of his ass again. I fully expect to receive accusations that we are all alt-right supporters simply because the vast majority of his submissions get rejected.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @09:57PM

                That sounds like alt-right talk to me, mister. Get the torches and pitchforks!

                Seriously though, it was a coding fuck-up on my part that will be fixed soon. He got modded Spam twice while I was out of state which was then reversed properly on his account karma but not on the ipid karma.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Bot on Monday April 09 2018, @07:59AM (5 children)

      by Bot (3902) on Monday April 09 2018, @07:59AM (#664286) Journal

      The right is nationalist, the left is mondialist. Modern nations are result of masonic activity, so in the end they are faces of the same medal. They each get parts of the real agenda and implement them. Gun control is in the agenda obviously. The other things they implement (social justice, economic freedom) get reversed as soon as the other side rises to power. Two dogs, one bunch of sheep.

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      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday April 09 2018, @09:34PM (4 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday April 09 2018, @09:34PM (#664694) Journal

        Modern nations are result of masonic activity, so in the end they are faces of the same medal. They each get parts of the real agenda and implement them. Gun control is in the agenda obviously.

        I don't know how you figure that. The United States was definitely founded by Masons on masonic principles, but then most people reckon freedom of speech, press, etc. and democracy to be good things. There have also been famous masons at work in other countries, like Simon de Bolivar and Garibaldi. But they are far from the driving force in "modern nations."

        There is no "agenda," either, because Masons truly come from all walks of life, religions, races, and creeds. In fact you are expressly forbidden from discussing religion or politics of any kind with other Masons because those subjects are inherently divisive; nothing can get you drummed out of the fraternity faster than talking about those things in lodge. So, even if Masons did talk about religion or politics they would never fashion an agenda because they'd never agree on what the agenda should be.

        (That is something I like about Freemasons, though, is that they are all iconoclasts, free thinkers. Group think is anathema to them. That's refreshing in an era filled with dull, hackneyed political tropes.)

        I've been a mason for about 20 years and have been Master of my lodge in NYC, which is one of the two wealthiest and strongest lodges in New York; I know all the secrets and have travelled pretty widely, so I say that with confidence. If Masons were in control of world affairs the way you suppose, I would know.

        Further, I've been shooting with my brothers, so I can also firmly refute your claim that Masons want to ban guns.

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        • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday April 09 2018, @11:32PM (3 children)

          by Bot (3902) on Monday April 09 2018, @11:32PM (#664739) Journal

          > phoenix666
          > phoenix
          > 666
          > rebirth of strict humanism (giving the 666 the most favorable meaning ofc)
          > a mason

          Holy Apron, Batman, I am surprised.

          > Garibaldi
          He too, but what about Carboneria and the much revered "outsider" Mazzini? And the upside down star of Casa Savoia, those guys who unify Italy absorbing the public debt of annexed territories (they knew who the real master is, already)?.

          > There is no agenda.
          If no one else ranks above you, I can believe you no probs.

          > Further, I've been shooting with my brothers, so I can also firmly refute your claim that Masons want to ban guns.
          What if the brothers are more equal than the others?

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          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday April 10 2018, @12:33AM (2 children)

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday April 10 2018, @12:33AM (#664753) Journal

            Numerology is popular with some masons. I don't care too much, myself. The phoenix is the symbol of my alma mater. The 666 i don't remember why i chose it, because it was my /. Handle and i created that long, long ago.

            Nobody ranks above me in the Craft. Once you're a Master Mason you're equal to every other Master Mason. There are other appendant bodies like the York Rite, Scottish Rite, and Royal Arch, but those radiate out horizontally from Master Mason. A Master Mason is entitled to all the secrets in the Craft.

            As such there's no concept of "more equal than others." We have heads of state visit our lodge (Gabon, Cameroon, and one other i forget) and they come in like regular Brothers and meet on the level. We only learned they were heads of state much later by happenstance when members of our lodge were travelling in those places and looked them up.

             

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            • (Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday April 10 2018, @08:34AM (1 child)

              by Bot (3902) on Tuesday April 10 2018, @08:34AM (#664863) Journal

              So the club is frequented by politicians, yet you don't organize punitive expeditions on them when they fuck up (twice a day on average). You are a strange kind.

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              • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday April 10 2018, @10:59AM

                by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday April 10 2018, @10:59AM (#664883) Journal

                The Master of the lodge two years after me was an escalator repairman. The guy after him was a photographer. My lodge has Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, a Baha'i, a Druze from Lebanon, and even a couple Pagans from one sort of witchcraft or other in it. They really come from all walks of life and backgrounds and i would never have met them otherwise. The politicians were infrequent, but the notable part was that through masonry they were all on the level (equal) and none of the worldly title or position mattered. In fact when the guy from Gabon visited the Master of the lodge at the time was a retired NYC detective.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @03:59PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @03:59PM (#664509)

      No matter how many times you claim that, you'll still be wrong slugger.