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posted by Fnord666 on Monday April 09 2018, @05:52AM   Printer-friendly
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London Mayor Sadiq Khan is cracking down on the carrying of knives in response to a spate of stabbings that pushed the city's murder rate past New York's for the "first time in modern history."

Khan deployed an additional 300 Metropolitan Police officers over the weekend to work exclusively against knife crime, urging them to be more "confident" in their authority to stop anyone suspected of carrying a weapon.

"What you will see over the course of the next few weeks and months — is what we have seen over the last few weeks and months — which is stop-and-search based on suspicion of carrying an offensive weapon going up, more arrests as a consequence of this intelligence-led stop-and-search going up and hopefully our city becoming safer," the mayor said Saturday, according to The Telegraph.

Khan also issued a warning to would-be knife carriers, saying they should think twice before bringing one out in public — whatever the reason.

"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife," Khan said on Twitter. "Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."

Source: http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/08/london-murder-rate-knives/


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:26AM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:26AM (#664238)

    While I am all for banning weapons in public space, I still hope there is an exception for keychain-sized multitools, as they are truly useful. I am talking about small ones like Victorinox Classic SD, Leatherman Micra and Squirt. They got about 5 cm (about 2 inches) of blade. Does anyone from UK got any insight about this?

  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @06:36AM (1 child)

    I appreciate that you lot want to be all civilized and British and I'm not by any means trying to tell you lot how to run your shat but you do remember how it worked out for you last time the Crown disarmed all the peasants of everything except for their tools, right?

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    • (Score: 4, Touché) by Dr Spin on Monday April 09 2018, @06:44AM

      by Dr Spin (5239) on Monday April 09 2018, @06:44AM (#664257)

      You do remember how it worked out for you last time the Crown disarmed all the peasants of everything except for their tools, right?

      No, I don't. Tell me more!

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by bradley13 on Monday April 09 2018, @08:45AM (6 children)

    by bradley13 (3053) on Monday April 09 2018, @08:45AM (#664298) Homepage Journal

    Are you nuts? What's a weapon? There was an assault in Scotland last week, where the attacker broke into a guy's home, and attacked him using a screwdriver as a weapon.

    Guns don't kill people. Knives don't kill people. Screwdrivers, rocks, sticks, or whatever - none of those kill people. It's people who are the actors, and anything can be a weapon.

    Banning weapons just means that you have banned the right to an effective self-defense. The criminals tend to be young and male, and are by definition likely to be comfortable with violence. Weapons are the great equalizer. The guy in Scotland who was attacked with a screwdriver was 79 years old. He successfully defended himself by using a kitchen knife.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @10:17AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @10:17AM (#664335)

      My kitchen knife is 98 cm long, masses 2.3 kg and has a balance point about 25cm in front of the hilt. I keep it in my kitchen knife scabbard that I wear on my kitchen knife belt.
      Strangely, I very rarely get attacked in my kitchen.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 09 2018, @12:03PM (2 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @12:03PM (#664370) Journal

        I can see that you are not a grandparent yet . . .

        • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @12:45PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @12:45PM (#664379)

          now he is....

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @03:21PM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @03:21PM (#664487) Journal

          Based on the quality of the scabbard and his age, he may well finish in never be one.

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    • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Monday April 09 2018, @03:22PM (1 child)

      by hemocyanin (186) on Monday April 09 2018, @03:22PM (#664488) Journal

      And the guy who defended himself from the attack is charged with murder: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/04/suspected-burglar-dies-tussle-pensioner-78/ [telegraph.co.uk]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @05:22PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @05:22PM (#664552)

        Shame you didn't learn to read the quoted article, from a newspaper famous for its sensatonalist extreme right healines.

        He was arrested on suspicion of murder.

        Are you really suggesting that no-one has ever staged a break-in to cover up a murder?

        He was released and the police will take no further action.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by TheRaven on Monday April 09 2018, @09:16AM (3 children)

    by TheRaven (270) on Monday April 09 2018, @09:16AM (#664312) Journal
    As I recall, there are two aspects of the law. The actual definition is quite fuzzy and relies on your intent to use something as a weapon (so a can of spray insecticide is illegal if you're carrying it with the goal of spraying it in someone's face), but there's a threshold where the burden of proof shifts. Again, from memory, a knife with a blade under 3", or which retracts and doesn't lock open, is regarded as being a tool unless there is strong evidence that it is being carried for use as a weapon. Anything else is regarded as a weapon unless there is evidence that it is being carried as a tool (e.g. still in packaging coming from a shop, being carried by a chef to or from work, being carried by a carpenter in a toolbox).
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    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday April 09 2018, @02:16PM

      by Bot (3902) on Monday April 09 2018, @02:16PM (#664430) Journal

      How is a can of insecticide not a weapon? It falls squarely onto the chemical weapon definition. Ask any insect.

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    • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday April 09 2018, @03:17PM (1 child)

      by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Monday April 09 2018, @03:17PM (#664482) Journal

      https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives [www.gov.uk]

      Pretty much as you said it. I don't know about insecticide but if it is a blade or a truncheon a good and legitimate reason will provide defense if you're charged (and may inform the police as to whether you you should be charged).

      No locks, no blades which are felt to be offensive in nature ("zombie blades" is what they're called).

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      • (Score: 2) by sjames on Monday April 09 2018, @09:11PM

        by sjames (2882) on Monday April 09 2018, @09:11PM (#664680) Journal

        It's a good thing they have healthcare in the UK, since without being able to lock the blade open, they probably get a lit of finger injuries.

  • (Score: 2) by zocalo on Monday April 09 2018, @09:57AM

    by zocalo (302) on Monday April 09 2018, @09:57AM (#664326)
    I doubt very much that you can find a keychain multitool with a blade that exceeds three inches, which is the point at which this supposedly becomes a potential issue - I have specifically enquired about the Victorinox CyberTool which I routinely carry in my backpack and they're fine. In the event of being the subject of a stop and search it's still better to be able to demonstrate a good reason for carrying it - e.g. being able to show that you are in a profession where it might be considered a tool of the trade - but most police officers should be quite reasonable for a verbal justification, and it helps if it's not in a readily accessible pocket too, although that's obviously slightly trickier if it's on a keyring. And, to be blunt, if you don't match the profile or in a known problematic area, then you're not very likely to be stopped anyway.
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