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posted by Fnord666 on Monday April 09 2018, @05:52AM   Printer-friendly
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London Mayor Sadiq Khan is cracking down on the carrying of knives in response to a spate of stabbings that pushed the city's murder rate past New York's for the "first time in modern history."

Khan deployed an additional 300 Metropolitan Police officers over the weekend to work exclusively against knife crime, urging them to be more "confident" in their authority to stop anyone suspected of carrying a weapon.

"What you will see over the course of the next few weeks and months — is what we have seen over the last few weeks and months — which is stop-and-search based on suspicion of carrying an offensive weapon going up, more arrests as a consequence of this intelligence-led stop-and-search going up and hopefully our city becoming safer," the mayor said Saturday, according to The Telegraph.

Khan also issued a warning to would-be knife carriers, saying they should think twice before bringing one out in public — whatever the reason.

"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife," Khan said on Twitter. "Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."

Source: http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/08/london-murder-rate-knives/


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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:39AM (20 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:39AM (#664252)

    Um... Nazis were leftists.

    I guess only for the current Nazis called "Trumpsters"?? In the real world, Nazis are what we call "extreme far right".

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by FakeBeldin on Monday April 09 2018, @07:43AM (10 children)

    by FakeBeldin (3360) on Monday April 09 2018, @07:43AM (#664280) Journal

    Oh, I'm sure TMB can find something they did in the political spectrum that does not fit the "right" category, ergo it must fit the "left" category.

    There are more aspects to politics than can be graded on a two-point scale.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 09 2018, @11:44AM (8 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @11:44AM (#664365) Journal

      While you guys are poking fun at TMB, the Nazis gained power by appealing to the SOCIALIST Nationalists. Like socialists everywhere, they wore that kid-glove of socialism until they had power, then they showed their iron fist of power.

      Hitler and Stalin were so very much alike, in so many ways.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @12:33PM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @12:33PM (#664378)

        "Hitler and Stalin were so very much alike, in so many ways."

        No they weren't. Stalin murdered over 40 Million Russian civilians. Hitler murdered 0.0 Million Germans. Big difference.

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 09 2018, @01:17PM (5 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @01:17PM (#664389) Journal

          Actually, the majority of those killed by Stalin were not Russians. Let's see - there were Armenians, Azerbaijani, Belarussians, Estonians, Georgians, Kazakhstani, Kyrgystans, Latvians, Lithuanians, Moldovans, Tajikstani, Turkmenistani, Ukrainians, and Uzbekstani - and those are just the official members of the USSR, not counting the client nations. https://www.thoughtco.com/what-was-the-ussr-1434459 [thoughtco.com]

          More here - http://www.wisegeek.org/which-countries-were-part-of-the-soviet-union.htm [wisegeek.org]

          Sattelite nations included Poland, East German, Czechoslovakia, Hungry, Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia.

          It may also interest you to know that Stalin was not a Russian at all. Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili 18 December 1878 Gori, Tiflis Governorate, Caucasus Viceroyalty, Russian Empire Note the "empire" portion of that birthplace - he wasn't born "Russian", any more than a Jew was born a Roman.

          Now, you've made me kinda curious. Did Stalin kill as many Georgians, proportionately, as he killed other people? Or, did he go easy on his kin?

          As for Hitler - he killed a fair number of his fellow Germans. Have you forgotten Jews, Gypsies, political opponents, homosexuals, mental deficients, and probably more that I can't think of at the moment? I really fail to see your "big difference". Maybe you can explain it better.

          • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday April 09 2018, @02:09PM (2 children)

            by Bot (3902) on Monday April 09 2018, @02:09PM (#664423) Journal

            Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin was Georgian.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:57PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @06:57PM (#664606)

            Those living under Stalin's rule were (loosely) called Russian. One cannot go into individual nationalities and geographical areas and cities.

            http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789 [ibtimes.com]

            Your whitewashing of history is not going well although you tried.

            "he killed a fair number of his fellow Germans"

            Please link me to reliable sources for the above. Real history, as opposed to propaganda and court history. Your accusations are serious, so the evidence better be real good and reliable.

            And going back to your original statement: "Hitler and Stalin were so very much alike, in so many ways."

            Please enumerate those many ways that Hitler and Stalin were alike. Stalin was hated and feared during his rule. Hitler was loved and respected very much during his brief period of leadership. Hitler was one of the greatest men who ever lived.

            • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday April 09 2018, @11:47PM

              by Bot (3902) on Monday April 09 2018, @11:47PM (#664742) Journal

              Please enumerate those many ways that Hitler and Stalin were alike.
              1. moustaches
              2. too little military training
              3. slight personality disorders

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        • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday April 09 2018, @07:05PM

          by tangomargarine (667) on Monday April 09 2018, @07:05PM (#664609)

          No they weren't. Stalin murdered over 40 Million Russian civilians. Hitler murdered 0.0 Million Germans. Big difference.

          So we're defining Jews as non-Germans?

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    • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Monday April 09 2018, @12:20PM

      by PiMuNu (3823) on Monday April 09 2018, @12:20PM (#664377)

      I think they were economically socialist weren't they? I mean, massive government spending on huge military requires high taxation; implicit in total war is extreme repression of civil liberties (rationing, curfew, etc) which I think is rather Big government/socialist in outlook. Many independent factories/merchant ships/etc were commandeered for the war effort, and I believe this was done on a non-financial basis. The British, for example, had similar sort of systems in place. This is all rather socialist/communist.

      They may have promoted an economically right-wing rhetoric. I have never really dug into the econmical, philosophical and ethical background to the nazis (Nietzsche etc I guess). I'm just saying in practice they were Big government.

      It all rather depends what you mean by right-wing of course.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by qzm on Monday April 09 2018, @07:47AM (6 children)

    by qzm (3260) on Monday April 09 2018, @07:47AM (#664281)

    The NAZI party was a solidly centralist party with plenty of left wind policy included.
    They were however a populist totalitarian party, using strong identity politics to separate people in to groups.
    These days they would sit quite fare to the left of the democratic party.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by GDX on Monday April 09 2018, @09:00AM (5 children)

      by GDX (1950) on Monday April 09 2018, @09:00AM (#664307)

      I didn't find practically nothing that the NAZI party did that wasn't done by the left in their time, even lot of thing that the people tell that are right wing are actually part of what the left do, even more on that time. Some self proclaimed left independentist movements of today if you analyze their actual behavior their are basically doing the same that the nazis did only with a some minimal differences. For me the approach to socialism of the nazis where a pragmatic one while the communist is a idealist one.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @09:28AM (4 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @09:28AM (#664317) Journal

        For me the approach to socialism of the nazis where a pragmatic one while the communist is a idealist one.

        Are you sure that's what it is for you? If positive, you aren't very discerning.
        Killing the untermensch and paying the military industry (Krupp, IG Carbon, Messerschmitt, Topf & Söhne [wikipedia.org], etc) qualify as 'pragmatic socialism' to you?

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @01:38PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @01:38PM (#664397)

          It was IG Farben [wikipedia.org] not IG Carbon (maybe you confused it with Union Carbide).

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @02:03PM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @02:03PM (#664417) Journal

            Yes. I blame the shitty auto-correct on my mobile (good pastime on the train commute, shit like this can happen though).

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        • (Score: 1) by GDX on Monday April 09 2018, @02:03PM (1 child)

          by GDX (1950) on Monday April 09 2018, @02:03PM (#664415)

          But the minorities where also killed by the Russia communists, the Chinese communist under the cultural revolution, the Khmer Rouge... and about paying the military industry, the communist also did it but in a different way after all under the Nazi ideology is that the private companies where under the will and interest of the country (party to be more exact), basically even if your company was private if the government told you to make firearms you had the obligation to do it and can't oppose that decision.

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 09 2018, @02:21PM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 09 2018, @02:21PM (#664435) Journal

            But the minorities where also killed by the Russia communists, the Chinese communist under the cultural revolution, the Khmer Rouge...

            And the fact that the Nazi and the communist and Mussolini did the same, make a left from all of them?
            Walk a bit down this line and you'll end in making Richard I a leftist because he taxed hard his nobility to support his crusades, was anti-semitics [wikipedia.org] and killed arabs during the crusades.

            Rather than regarding his kingdom as a responsibility requiring his presence as ruler, he has been perceived as preferring to use it merely as a source of revenue to support his armies
            ...
            When a rumour spread that Richard had ordered all Jews to be killed, the people of London attacked the Jewish population.[54] Many Jewish homes were burned down, and several Jews were forcibly baptised.

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            Watch out, you may finish in making even Trump a leftie: after all he promised infrastructure spending (to be paid from tax-pyers pocket) and a beautiful big wall to be paid by others... if this is not socialism by the TMB's definition, I don't know what else is
            (large grin)

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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @02:58PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 09 2018, @02:58PM (#664468)
    Based on actual policies, Hitler was actually just barely right of center. But he was an extreme fascist, far north on the political spectrum. Today it's fashionable to make everything bi-polar left/right on the spectrum, but I think people often neglect the fascist/liberal poles.

    I blame the schools.
    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @04:28PM

      Indeed on the north/south axis. What really chaps my ass is that all the major groups on both ends of the left/right axis in western civilization currently sit pretty damned far north towards authoritarianism, just with different professed reasons as to why.

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