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Ubisoft is cracking down on "Toxic Players" in the game "Rainbow Six: Siege". I was somewhat surprised to see that they hadn't implemented a mute option to begin with as well.
Players will also soon have the ability to mute either or both of the text and voice chat for other players in their matches, giving more "direct control over communication channels."
I left the world of FPS Multiplayer games nearly 10 years ago, because of the toxic environment. Then again, that may have mostly just been staying away from certain games (Call of Duty) that appealed to the demographic (10 year old kids who can more or less say whatever they feel like) I didn't want to associate with. It's one thing to have the occasional being "cursed at" by a teenager / adult, because something went belly up for them. It's another to have a string of profanity that you've never heard the like being uttered by a 10 year old kid as a standard part of the game.
Apparently their parents don't know where they are / what they're doing, don't believe in parenting, don't think that verbal abuse is a thing, or some various mixture thereof. I'm not generally in favor of censorship, but at some point someone needs to step-in. At one point that was the parents, but that doesn't seem to be happening nearly as much as it used to.
The core of the changes centers around players using "racial or homophobic slurs, or hate speech," defined by the game's Code of Conduct as language that's "illegal, dangerous, threatening, abusive, obscene, vulgar, defamatory, hateful, racist, sexist, ethically offensive, or constituting harassment."
TL;DR
Game company banning toxic players. It's about time.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Rivenaleem on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:31PM (25 children)
Let me get this straight. You are at a bowling tournament. There's lots of people taking part. Someone is annoyed they are losing to you and get right up in your face screaming abuse at you, and (for the sake of argument) you are unable to do anything to stop it (use physical violence for example). You are just there to play your game, it happens to be competitive, you happen to be doing better than this person.
You think this would be perfectly acceptable? Or maybe the correct response here is for you to scream right back at them?
Do you think it is somehow acceptable to put up with this behaviour online, but not acceptable in the 'real world'?
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:46PM (5 children)
Don't bother trying to reason with TMB, he obviously has a variety of psychological issues (don't we all?) and deals with them by hiding behind a veil of bravado.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:47PM (4 children)
Well it did start that way back when I was a wee kid but rest assured that the attitude is very much real nowadays.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:16PM (3 children)
So when you were a kid you had to try and sell your veil of bravado, now you're just good at it? Still a veil dudebro, get in touch with your repressed feelings.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 13 2018, @03:22AM (2 children)
Repressed feelings? Me? Do you remotely pay attention to what you type?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @05:44PM (1 child)
Being a loudmouth asshole may seem like you're outspoken and don't hide anything, but it is often the biggest indicator that someone has repressed issues to deal with. You would make a good case study for a psych 101 book. The louder you deny, the more you use childish attacks instead of real discussion, the more your flaws become apparent.
You have some substance on a few topics, but beyond that you are on the level of a teenager with SN being the clique you're trying to be "top dawg" in. At least you occasionally have a few funny comments, too bad most of your effort is wasted on trolling garbage.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 14 2018, @11:22AM
Naw, this thread aside, I haven't done much trolling in quite some time. Even this thread though, I believe what I've said wholeheartedly; I've just been intentionally saying it in a very provocative manner.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:52PM (3 children)
You're free to walk out, if the abuser follows you home that's a crime. In a MMO, you can always switch it off any time it bothers you.
Actually - most of life is like this, various levels of discomfort at various events, most are tame but some are not.
All UbiSoft is doing is giving players more control of their personal experience, and I think that's reasonable.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Rivenaleem on Thursday April 12 2018, @03:28PM
Well of course you are free to leave, at which point the person giving the abuse has won and you have validated their actions. However that is not what my comment was about. My comment was in response to "give as good as you get" as suggested by the OP. Does the OP consider the behaviour witnessed in online games to be acceptable social behaviour, and would it be still be considered acceptable if it happened 'in the flesh' at a public event?
If the answer is "That person would be removed from the premises if it happened in a bowling alley" then it justifies kick/ban/mute actions an online game.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday April 12 2018, @05:43PM (1 child)
You're free to walk out..
And what about the bowling tournament's freedom of association? Are they not allowed to gather a group of like-minded bowlers to enjoy a tournament?
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday April 12 2018, @08:58PM
I think we're agreeing here, if the bowlers want to be rowdy rude and socially unacceptable, that's their choice.
Where it gets weird is that we've never given 12 year olds a club where they can hang out and try to swear like (18 year old) sailors... and I think it's probably fine that they have one, since they used to do it in the woods or on the playground anyway.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday April 12 2018, @03:35PM (1 child)
The situation you describe calls for a withering rejoinder. It can be done, but it calls for a degree of self-control most people have to practice to acquire. Well, that is, if you aren't born and acculturated in Britain, because those guys seem preternaturally good at it.
The best instance I ever witnessed was when we were playing rugby with a team of expats in Beijing and after a contentious play an American guy was flying off the handle in the way you described; a Brit calmly and crisply replied that his attitude was "lovely." It instantly shut that guy the hell up. It was so instructive that I have tried to channel that attitude ever since: be the adult and stand your ground.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:52PM
I don't think murdering the guy with your concealed carry is quite the way to go. Especially since you're taking a British approach to this in Beijing, it won't go well!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:46PM (12 children)
Yell back at someone up in my face? Absolutely. Honestly, I'd probably just toss a rosin bag in his face and stomp kick his knee into an unfriendly angle while he was distracted. I am not a pussy who needs others to settle my disputes for me.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:18PM (9 children)
But you are a criminal who would commit felony assault over loud mean words?
You're more like The Mighty Baby! Growing up is hard, but better late than never.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 13 2018, @03:31AM (8 children)
Learn your shit [cornell.edu]. That aside, I'm not a kid anymore and I don't shrug off injury or heal as quickly nowadays. If I think you're about to start a fight with me, I'm going to cripple you (very likely permanently) so that you can't as fast as I can. Trading punches is for school kids.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @03:47AM (5 children)
The 'fighting words' thing is something our authoritarian courts created out of thin air. Naturally, the first amendment contains no such exception. Regardless of how offensive someone else's words are, that does not give you the right to assault them.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 13 2018, @10:29AM (4 children)
You're not very bright, apparently. Taking offense has nothing to do with "fighting words". Try reading the link again. Slowly. Several times.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 15 2018, @02:00AM (3 children)
I'm brighter than you, since I can read the first amendment and clearly see that no such exceptions exist. Really, quote the part in the first amendment that lists such an exception. I won't bother waiting, though, because it doesn't exist anywhere except in authoritarian judges' delusional minds.
They don't use the term "offense" specifically, but that's what it ultimately amounts to. There are no words that can, by themselves, "inflict injury". As for 'inciting an immediate breach of the peace', that is impossible unless others choose to take actions that cause such a thing to happen in response to your speech, which is entirely their fault for doing so. To make this travesty worse, they even used completely subjective terms such as "order" and "morality". These courts do not believe in personal responsibility.
The notion that "fighting words" are somehow unprotected by the first amendment is laughable.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 15 2018, @02:50AM (2 children)
It absolutely is unprotected by the first amendment, as is plainly evidenced by it being a valid defense in a court of law. Amendments do not and can not protect your rights. The only thing that protects the rights of the American people is the fact that at any moment we decide to, we could violently overthrow our government. Amendments are ink on paper. They have no more real power than your third grade daughter's homework that is hanging on your fridge.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 15 2018, @10:06PM (1 child)
So you're going that route, now? Why even bother discussing what is and is not unconstitutional, then? It seems you've shifted the goalposts.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 15 2018, @10:36PM
Oh I agree in sentiment. I'm a realist though. The amendments and the rest of the constitution are not the law of the land. They've been roundly ignored by both all three branches of the government. The set of rules we either live under or revolt over are not the ones written by the founders and have not been in quite a while.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @05:54PM (1 child)
Heh, nice bit of evasion there to escape the obvious conclusion that you're a loudmouth braggart who is either truly a coward or an idiot that would almost undoubtedly go to jail.
The case from 92 said fighting words are "a direct personal insult or an invitation to exchange fisticuffs." This unless the person yelling in your face was saying some truly horrifying and threatening things, kneecapping or permanently disabling them when they haven't assaulted you first is very likely to land you in prison.
Go ahead, keep spewing that hot air, we all believe you're a manly man who won't take shit from anyone! lol
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 14 2018, @11:27AM
Believe what you like but I'd advise discretion for offline interaction with people you don't know. Any one of them could be more than capable of and willing to put you in a world of hurt for getting in their face.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Rivenaleem on Friday April 13 2018, @08:20AM (1 child)
The point is that in an online setting, you cannot stomp kick their knee. People yelling verbal abuse do so safe in the knowledge that you can't counter it with physical violence. Hence me explicitly stating in the bowling tournament scenario you are unable to interfere with the person screaming in your face, you have 2 choices, try to ignore it, or yell back. God forbid you might use violence to censor them, take away their right to free speech.
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 13 2018, @10:32AM
Did I say it did? That was Mr. Bad Analogy's idea to take it from online to off. Online you are perfectly capable of either shit talking back, ignoring them, or any number of other approaches. You are not a victim if you have the means to overcome something, even if you choose not to.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.