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For the past several years, copyright holders in the US and Europe have been trying to reach out to file-sharers in an effort to change their habits.
Whether via high-profile publicity lawsuits or a simple email, it's hoped that by letting people know they aren't anonymous, they'll stop pirating and buy more content instead.
Traditionally, most ISPs haven't been that keen on passing infringement notices on. However, the BMG v Cox lawsuit seems to have made a big difference, with a growing number of ISPs now visibly warning their users that they operate a repeat infringer policy.
But perhaps the big question is how seriously users take these warnings because – let's face it – that's the entire point of their existence.
Sixty-five thousand five hundred thirty-five but if they sent one more I'd start again.
Source: https://torrentfreak.com/how-many-piracy-warnings-would-get-you-to-stop-180422/
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @01:59AM (29 children)
Your refusal to accept additional/new definitions of a word, or the expansion of the English language, doesn't stop a word from meaning what you don't want it to. In fact, willful ignorance undermines any other arguments that you make.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday April 24 2018, @02:03AM (23 children)
And, you've got that backward. When we accept the terminology that someone pushes on us, then we have allowed them to create and set the narrative.
File copying is not piracy. Piracy involves rape, pillage, death, theft. File copying results in zero death, zero pregnancies, zero pillaging, and no lost property.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @02:14AM (17 children)
Society accepts or rejects these types of things. You don't have to like it for the rest of society to use the term.
Perhaps you should
piradownload a more current dictionary?(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday April 24 2018, @02:22AM (12 children)
As part of society, I reject that type of thing. Most intelligent people do as well. Piracy is violent. File copy is not. You have accepted the brainwashing imposed by the MPAA and other maafiosa.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @02:40AM (11 children)
Citation?
The original definition of piracy is violent. Your "I don't want to call file copying 'piracy' because I don't want to be labeled by a word with negative connotations any more than I want to pay for things!" stance is cute.
I am not "brainwashed". I am one of those intelligent people who knows the difference between "piracy" involving ships on the high seas and "piracy" involving copying content. Only one is violent, though neither type of pirate likes being called a pirate.
(Score: 2, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday April 24 2018, @02:54AM (8 children)
Most people want to believe they are intelligent. And, of course intelligent people are harder to brainwash. But, your assertion that you are intelligent doesn't make you intelligent. Just how high did you rank on all those tests you took in high school and/or college? How many of them did you just blow out of the water? Were you suspected of cheating because you got impossibly high scores on the tests?
Again - I don't accept the narrative being forced down society's throat. It's bullshit. If you choose to believe the bullshit, so be it. Paying for a record does NOT put money into your favorite artist's pocket. Again, you'll do artists more good by tipping the band at your local bar, than offering up your hard earned cash to a record label.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @03:09AM (4 children)
How high did I score? Full scholarship off my pre-SAT. Never took the SATs and I graduated as a junior (I even skipped the 5th grade). Never was suspected of cheating because tests always came easy. What about you? Or do you not like the term "cheating" to describe getting around the test rules because it sounds bad?
Your assertions that people who disagree are not intelligent are comical. They remind me of someone who continually claims they are smart. Very smart. Smarter than anyone else.
IMNSHO, paying for a CD is the right thing to do. If the artist failed to secure an advantageous contract it is not my problem. I should not have to worry that they have their shit together before making a purchase. Refusing to pay for a CD because you suspect that the artist may not get what you feel they deserve is disingenuous ... unless you are sending them cash directly.
(Score: 3, Funny) by archfeld on Tuesday April 24 2018, @08:16AM
I am so smrt, so very smrt....SMRT
For the NSA : Explosives, guns, assassination, conspiracy, primers, detonators, initiators, main charge, nuclear charge
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday April 24 2018, @02:25PM (2 children)
Dear parents or guardians of RUNAWAY1956,
We aren't sure if your child cheated, or should be sent straight to college. No child gets scores like your child got. In fact, few of our staff can get that high a score, and they created the test. Please don't enroll your child for any more of our tests. We will trash the test as soon as we see his name on it.
Thank you,
Staff of NEDT school testing
_______________________________
The ACT wasn't quite so bad -a few other people actually score as high as I did. ASVAB, very much the same, except for one little hole. That being linquistics and code.
Full scholarship, you say? Mine for the taking. Two of my sons also won full scholarships. I'm not terribly impressed with your scholarship. Some of us walk away from those scholarships, because they don't fit what we want or need to do in life.
(Score: 2, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday April 24 2018, @03:20PM (1 child)
I guess we’ll have to compare IQ tests. And I can tell you who is going to win. The best linquist.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday April 24 2018, @03:39PM
That's possible - depending on which test, and how it's weighted. STEM people don't spend a lot of time talking to their creations, and they certainly don't expect their creations to answer in some foreign language.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @03:33AM (2 children)
What, you mean the ones that require only rote memorization to solve? The ones that any moron with a tiny bit of motivation could ace? What do those have to do with his intelligence, exactly? They neither prove nor disprove that one is intelligent; they are only good for eliminating people who didn't even bother to rote memorize the material.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday April 24 2018, @03:04PM (1 child)
Different times, I guess. There was little rote memorization when I was in school. Sure, there was some - the times table, spelling rules, some more, I suppose. But, back then, education actually required some thinking. Besides which, I always wanted to know why things were this way or that. It wasn't good enough to memorize names, dates, facts, and figures. Always, "Why?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @10:28PM
America's education system is and always has been based on Prussia's (even though it was modified), which was designed to churn out obedient worker drones, so I guarantee you that you're wrong. You simply failed to spot the problem. There are no 'golden age' of the American education system; sorry.
But you're not alone in thinking this. Even to this day, many people fail to see that what they're doing is actually just rote memorization because it's dressed up as something else. If one doesn't know what a real education looks like, then chances are one won't be able to spot the problem.
If you meant to say that schooling required some thinking, well, you're still wrong.
Maybe you, but it was by no means required. And that's the issue.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Tuesday April 24 2018, @06:25AM (1 child)
No, I don't think so. If you're not a shill, you are brainwashed, and you'd do well to listen humbly and try to understand. You might even thank us.
Surely you've heard the "copying is not stealing" argument? No one said they didn't want to compensate the artists. When you suggest people "don't want to pay for things", we all understood that you are calling everyone a bunch of thieves. Use of that disingenuous, flamebait line is what has me thinking you're a shill. It is only the mercy of the public, the sincere desire to compensate artists, that keeps the copyright model alive in spite of the bad manners-- the terrorism, legal lynchings, propaganda, and histrionics-- the industry has practiced. But no one appreciates being asked to pay for waste.
McDonalds is hurt whenever someone eats at Burger King instead, but that's not theft, nor illegal, nor immoral.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @08:15AM
I've noticed an interesting thing with the younger generation: They can see that copying is not actually stealing, so it becomes copying is just like stealing, except it's not. Stealing is illegal. Which ends up with the conclusion that copying is just like illegal, except it's not.
Because the narrative is focused on teaching people that copying is like illegal, rather than teaching about copyright law, the younger generation is starting to believe that copying is NOT actually illegal. If it was illegal, you wouldn't need propaganda pretending that copying is just like illegal.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Kawumpa on Tuesday April 24 2018, @08:15AM (3 children)
You mean like the Cambridge Dictionary:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/piracy [cambridge.org]
(Score: 2, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday April 24 2018, @01:50PM
So many websites have VERY LONG pages. And folks only read the beginning. Very hard to get to the bottom of some of those! But down below it says (Cambridge) about illegally copying movies & music. And that's what The Mighty Buzzard means. I know because the beginning of the article says it's about movies, music & TV. Not about the ships, that's very important too. But not what this story is about.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @02:13PM (1 child)
...Dude, if you scroll down a bit it also mentions the illegal downloading kind of piracy:
the act of illegally copying a computer program, music, a film, etc. and selling it:
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @10:49PM
Did you notice the bit about selling? Very few filesharers do that.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Gaaark on Tuesday April 24 2018, @02:24AM (2 children)
Just like hacking/cracking.
People have accepted the dumb media's definition of hacker over cracker.
Hackers hack: crackers crack, but now everyone is evil hackers.
Now if only we could get the media to start calling dumb fucks 'sheeple', we could have a real larf!
:)
"Tonight at 11, sheeple gets stuck in safe while trying to rob it!"
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday April 24 2018, @06:02PM (1 child)
Just like hacking/cracking.
I can understand continuing to fight a battle that was lost in the 1990's.
What I can't understand is continuing to fight a battle that was lost in the 1590's. [wikipedia.org]
The term "piracy" has been used to refer to the unauthorized copying, distribution and selling of works in copyright.[8] The practice of labelling the infringement of exclusive rights in creative works as "piracy" predates statutory copyright law. Prior to the Statute of Anne in 1710, the Stationers' Company of London in 1557, received a Royal Charter giving the company a monopoly on publication and tasking it with enforcing the charter. Those who violated the charter were labelled pirates as early as 1603.[7][not in citation given (See discussion.)] Article 12 of the 1886 Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works uses the term "piracy" in relation to copyright infringement, stating "Pirated works may be seized on importation into those countries of the Union where the original work enjoys legal protection."[8] Article 61 of the 1994 Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPs) requires criminal procedures and penalties in cases of "willful trademark counterfeiting or copyright piracy on a commercial scale."[11] Piracy traditionally refers to acts of copyright infringement intentionally committed for financial gain, though more recently, copyright holders have described online copyright infringement, particularly in relation to peer-to-peer file sharing networks, as "piracy".[8]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @10:54PM
Did you notice the word 'selling' in there? Maybe you should read the last sentence of your post again.
By your own definition, if I download something it is not piracy unless I sell it. The copyright cartel are currently trying to change that definition.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @10:53AM (1 child)
File copying results in zero death, zero pregnancies, zero pillaging, and no lost property.
That is not true: my girlfriend's second pregnancy was the direct of copying a file.
(Details withheld to protect the guilty)
--
You have the right to a 5 1/4" floppy
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday April 24 2018, @03:08PM
I might suspect that she plugged the ethernet into the wrong receptacle if the pregnancy was the "direct" result of copying a file. So . . . the kid isn't yours, but Ozzie Osbourne's kid?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @02:16AM (2 children)
But at the same time, there's no reason that we have to use their inflammatory language to describe an activity that we are fine with. Just because a word exists doesn't mean you have to use it, or that you can't criticize others for using it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @02:28AM (1 child)
There are plenty of people all over the world who are fine with stealing, such as bankers, white collar criminals and other corporate thieves screwing honest people out of their money or their homes. They call it "business" rather than an inflammatory word like "larceny". Should we afford them the same courtesy?
In general, individuals don't get to decide what language society uses to describe or define things. Just because some people are OK with an act doesn't necessarily make the act OK.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @02:40AM
Afford them what courtesy? You don't have to do anything. They can use whatever terms they like, and you can either agree or disagree with their usage of those terms.
Individuals can choose what terminology they use, and also advocate that others use different terminology. Of course, if someone criticizes your use of a certain word, you don't have to listen to them either. Really, this couldn't be simpler. Instead of trying to debate whether or not individuals have to tolerate a word being used in a certain context simply because it is often used within said context (they don't), how about debating the merits of someone's argument? If you think that "piracy" is a fitting term for copyright infringement, then explain why or why not. There's no other debate to be had.
(Score: 2) by number11 on Tuesday April 24 2018, @06:50AM (1 child)
When you agree that any corporation that claims ownership of something not actually theirs (e.g. the Harry Fox Agency re "Happy Birthday", or DMCA takedowns based entirely on filenames, or In N Out Burger claiming that Down N Out confuses customers in a country they don't even do business in) is guilty of fraud and (at least attempted) theft, then maybe we'll have something to talk about.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 24 2018, @05:51PM
They hang the man and flog the woman
Who steals the goose from off the common
Yet let the greater villain loose
That steals the common from the goose