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posted by janrinok on Saturday April 28 2018, @07:23PM   Printer-friendly
from the he-said-she-said dept.

From CNN reporting:

The National Rifle Association is setting aside years of documents related to its interactions with a Kremlin-linked banker, as the gun-rights group appears to be bracing for a possible investigation, according to sources familiar with the situation.

The NRA has faced fresh scrutiny from congressional investigators about its finances and ties to Alexander Torshin, one of the 17 prominent Russian government officials the US Treasury Department recently slapped with sanctions. The gun-rights group has said it is reexamining its relationship with Torshin, who is a lifetime NRA member, in the wake of the sanctions.

The renewed attention has highlighted the close-knit if sometimes uneasy alliance between top NRA officials and Torshin -- a relationship that ensnared members of Trump's team during the presidential campaign, inviting further congressional scrutiny.


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by idiot_king on Saturday April 28 2018, @08:36PM (18 children)

    by idiot_king (6587) on Saturday April 28 2018, @08:36PM (#673118)

    I don't need to point out that the NRA can now be considered a terrorist organization, but it's becoming more and more clear that Russia just wants to undermine the US in full.
    They hate democracy, they hate diversity, and since they're funding the terrorist-enabler org known as the NRA, how can we not consider Russia a hostile state yet?

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by black6host on Saturday April 28 2018, @08:58PM (8 children)

    by black6host (3827) on Saturday April 28 2018, @08:58PM (#673123) Journal

    Russia a hostile state? Ok, I'll buy that. NRA a terrorist organization? Nah, I don't think so. You've had the kool-aid that has completely changed the meaning of "terrorist organization". Hell, I bet some people consider the PTA to be so... But you don't see the NRA promoting violence. Just because some members do does not reflect on the NRA. I bet a lot of those folks have AAA memberships as well. Does that make the AAA a "terrorist organization"?

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 28 2018, @09:20PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 28 2018, @09:20PM (#673133)

      Seems in keeping with the values of today, terrorist is now the catch all for any undesirable activity that isn't directly supported by a nation state.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 28 2018, @10:05PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 28 2018, @10:05PM (#673144)

        Seems in keeping with the values of today, terrorist is now the catch all for any undesirable activity that isn't directly supported by a nation state.

        You forgot to add "when such activities are committed by a person of color."

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 28 2018, @09:23PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 28 2018, @09:23PM (#673134)

      Maybe they want to pretend they are 'smart' and hate on the 'alt-right' organizations. I realized around the year 2000 all of the 'news' is manufactured. All of it. The current 'narrative' is to get rid of guns. A manufactured thing to basically erode public trust in their enemy's.

      Basically one of the tenants of Marxism and the Saul Alinsky school of thought is to attack the organizations/people that support your 'enemies'. That is the methods being used here.

      Pretty much the ACLU defends the first. The NRA defends the second. I do not always agree with them but they serve a purpose.

      Want another eye opening thing to see? Watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6bSsaVL6gA [youtube.com]

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 28 2018, @09:37PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 28 2018, @09:37PM (#673138)

        trust in their enemy's.

        Their enemy's what? Please, finish the sentence?

        Basically one of the tenants of Marxism and the Saul Alinsky school of thought is to attack the organizations/people that support your 'enemies'.

        Tenets? Didn't you mean tentaments? Why is "enemies" in scare quotes? Are you Russian, or just a normal functionally illiterate lifetime NRA member?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 28 2018, @11:40PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 28 2018, @11:40PM (#673174)

          trust in their enemy's.

          Their enemy's what? Please, finish the sentence?

          Their enemy's enemy, which would make them your friend. Unless they are also your enemy, which would make them your enemy. But if you are both of their enemys then that would make them friends, which would cancel out them being your enemy's enemy.

          Now that I look at that, maybe that AC was right to just leave it at "enemy's".

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by jmorris on Saturday April 28 2018, @10:51PM (1 child)

        by jmorris (4844) on Saturday April 28 2018, @10:51PM (#673161)

        Not exactly. It is worse than even you are assuming.

        I champion civil liberty as the best of the non-violent means of building the power on which workers’ rule must be based. If I aid the reactionaries to get free speech now and then, if I go outside the class struggle to fight against censorship, it is only because those liberties help to create a more hospitable atmosphere for working class liberties.
        […]
        When that power of the working class is once achieved, as it has been only in the Soviet Union, I am for maintaining it by any means whatever. Dictatorship is the obvious means in a world of enemies, at home and abroad.
          -- Roger Nash Baldwin (Founder of the ACLU)

        ACLU was born corrupted. The NRA though predates the Communists and has been very consistent in being the oldest civil rights organization in continuous operation.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @06:46AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @06:46AM (#673269)

          Re-writing history, again, jmorris? Who is paying you to do this? Could it be, Ruskies? The NRA started as an organization promoting marksmanship, so that the US would have enough cannon fodder to throw into things like world wars. Having your ass conscripted and attached to the butt of a rifle is kind of the opposite of civil rights. But, nice try for your Russian Bear masters! Although, in light of your pathetic and total failure in this regard, I would be wary of door knobs, and other places neurological weapons could be placed. No accuracy need for those!

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by VLM on Sunday April 29 2018, @02:59PM

      by VLM (445) on Sunday April 29 2018, @02:59PM (#673406)

      I bet a lot of those folks have AAA memberships as well. Does that make the AAA a "terrorist organization"?

      SPLC is a better example. Or the ADL. Although there isn't much difference.

  • (Score: 0, Funny) by XivLacuna on Saturday April 28 2018, @09:08PM

    by XivLacuna (6346) on Saturday April 28 2018, @09:08PM (#673126)

    The media who coincidentally is run by a bunch of people who just happen to be Jewish are angry that Russia is interfering with their Greater Israel plans by supporting the legitimate government of Syria.

    Seriously I don't care if Israel wants to take over the area, I just wish they'd use their own shekels instead of ours.

    Money spent on bombing Syria over lame gas hoaxes could instead be spent on the wall, deporting illegals back to the shitholes they came from, road repair, and/or fibre internet deployments.

    Fun fact: Most prominent gun grabbers in the media are by some coincidence Jewish.

  • (Score: 0, Funny) by Captival on Saturday April 28 2018, @10:48PM (3 children)

    by Captival (6866) on Saturday April 28 2018, @10:48PM (#673160)

    What a complete dipshit. You have a President who literally and seriously loophole'd his way through strict sanctions in order to be able to send an unmarked plane filled with untraceable foreign cash, payed by taxpayers, to give to Iran, even though his own State Department says they're the #1 worldwide sponsor of terrorism. You bought million dollar presents for terrorists. No, I don't care if it was "their money in the first place" or not. You sponsor America-hating terrorists and fight to let even more of them in our country. Trump can accept money from anybody and fuck porn stars on live TV - he's still way better than your Muslim Terrorist Ass-Kissing Sycophant.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @01:01AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @01:01AM (#673193)

      I don't know if you're trolling or really are that fucking stupid. You can't even get your tenses right.

      Muslim Terrorist Ass-Kissing Sycophant.

      As opposed to your Russian Oligarch Ass-Kissing Sycophant?

      "Hi Putin, it's your good buddy Trump. Congrats on winning your election!" Even after the orange stain was told repeatedly DON'T CONGRATULATE PUTIN.

      This is why we can't have nice things...

      • (Score: 1, Troll) by jmorris on Sunday April 29 2018, @05:06AM (1 child)

        by jmorris (4844) on Sunday April 29 2018, @05:06AM (#673246)

        Even after the orange stain was told repeatedly DON'T CONGRATULATE PUTIN.

        You mean people told him not to repeat Obama's mistake? You do know Obama called Putin to congratulate him after winning his last "election" victory. Right? You do know that, you don't just get your news from media, right?

        But fuck all that noise, lets get to the big ol elephant in sitting in the vast empty void of your mind.

        WHO. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK. are these people to tell the President of the United States what he "must do" or "must not do" anyway? They give advice, if they want to make decisions they need to come out of the Deep State shadows and actually run for the office. And where did YOU get it into your head a President "must" obey when these mysterious "THEY" give an order? Eliminating this very idea is what "Drain the Swamp" is all about, and I for one am damned happy Trump ignores the "experts" when his own superior instincts give him better advice. After all, listening to the "experts" is why the world is tottering on the edge and Trump has to clean up all of these messes that have been festering for decades in the first place.

        Look at Korea. With a little more luck, soon we will be calling it that again! Won't be quite as exciting as the day the Wall fell but damned close. All the experts assured us North Korea was simply unsolvable, so don't blame them when they utterly failed to stop the Kims from proliferating and otherwise being insane in the brain. Trump understood instantly where the pressure point was, same place I have pointed to for years here and the other place, China. Trump also apparently figured out how to activate that pressure point.

        Of course there is a downside to all this Winning! because Trump is now likely to believe he can fulfill another of his campaign promises and I doubt even his mighty balls can bring peace in the Middle East.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @06:23PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @06:23PM (#673445)

          Yeah its all a massive conspiracy to prevent the dictator for life you so dearly want to have. Fuck off jmo.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @01:05AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @01:05AM (#673194)

    Yeah, and next week we'll learn that our first amendment rights are just a farce funded by the Russians with money funneled through the treasonous ACLU.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @01:08AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @01:08AM (#673196)

      Looks like it happened 60 years early.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @05:29AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @05:29AM (#673253)

    Found the CIA operative.

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by VLM on Sunday April 29 2018, @02:58PM

    by VLM (445) on Sunday April 29 2018, @02:58PM (#673405)

    Russia just wants to undermine the US in full.

    Look into the background who who runs the USA and the background of the commies who the Russians overthew... they're the same people, so naturally the USA media hates post-cold-war Russia.

    So if the biggest enemy of the people of USA is some of the left leaning leadership of the USA, and the Russians are aligned against them, that means who the Russians are opposing depends on your definition of what the USA is, is it 99% of the country or 1% of the country, but whatever it is, its certainly NOT 100% (or 0%) of the country as per the claim of "in full"