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posted by Fnord666 on Monday April 30 2018, @10:17AM   Printer-friendly
from the the-internet-is-forever dept.

Joy Reid, an MSNBC host, apologized in December for "homophobic content" on a "now-defunct blog". This month, a Twitter user found similar material by using Internet Archive's Wayback Machine, although robots.txt is now in effect. This time around, Reid blamed hackers (archive) for inserting these posts into the blog, before admitting that it could not be proven (archive) that the blog had been hacked/manipulated:

Joy Reid, the MSNBC host who accused hackers of inserting homophobic posts into her now-defunct blog, said on Saturday that while she continued to deny having written the offensive language, security experts could not conclusively say her blog was breached. "I genuinely do not believe I wrote those hateful things, because they are completely alien to me," she said on her morning show, "AM Joy." "But I can definitely understand, based on things I have tweeted and have written in the past, why some people don't believe me." She hired a cybersecurity expert to see if her former blog had been manipulated, she said, but "the reality is, they have not been able to prove it."

The posts containing the offensive language, which Mediaite wrote about on Monday, said that "most straight people cringe at the sight of two men kissing" and that "a lot of heterosexuals, especially men, find the idea of homosexual sex to be ... well ... gross." They also allegedly showed Ms. Reid arguing against legalized gay marriage and criticizing commentators who supported it, including Rachel Maddow, who is now one of Ms. Reid's colleagues at MSNBC.

The Internet Archive responded to claims that its database might have been manipulated:

This past December, Reid's lawyers contacted us, asking to have archives of the blog (blog.reidreport.com) taken down, stating that "fraudulent" posts were "inserted into legitimate content" in our archives of the blog. Her attorneys stated that they didn't know if the alleged insertion happened on the original site or with our archives (the point at which the manipulation is to have occurred, according to Reid, is still unclear to us).

When we reviewed the archives, we found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking of the Wayback Machine versions. At least some of the examples of allegedly fraudulent posts provided to us had been archived at different dates and by different entities.

We let Reid's lawyers know that the information provided was not sufficient for us to verify claims of manipulation. Consequently, and due to Reid's being a journalist (a very high-profile one, at that) and the journalistic nature of the blog archives, we declined to take down the archives. We were clear that we would welcome and consider any further information that they could provide us to support their claims.

Also at CNN.


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  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday April 30 2018, @02:54PM (10 children)

    by tangomargarine (667) on Monday April 30 2018, @02:54PM (#673753)

    yup thats right the "pope of the lutherans" who I believe is called the president is little more than a chief financial officer and does not have divine right and authority to rule despite having the responsibility to rule,

    Lutheran's pope-equivalent on the job experience must be like herding cats.

    There's one dude in charge of all of Lutheranism? I was raised Lutheran and this is the first I've heard of it.

    There are a million different denominations that all do their own thing, in varying levels of agreement and disagreement with each other. Nobody is in charge of everything.

    and does not have divine right and authority to rule despite having the responsibility to rule,

    See, this is part of why Lutheranism is a thing in the first place. The Pope should not be ruling anything. It's not the job of the church to rule shit. "My kingdom is not of this world"

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  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday April 30 2018, @03:19PM (1 child)

    by VLM (445) on Monday April 30 2018, @03:19PM (#673764)

    Yeah, and without rule, see my comments on the topic of "must be like herding cats", oh boy does that sound like a fun job to have

    Another example of those, each side thinks the other side is crazy, like the example of papal infallibility being either a brilliant idea or insane and little opinion in between. It is highly likely that inside the different cultures that have developed in both systems, the maximum effective optimum solution to problem X might end up the opposite the other sides solution.

    As for the trivia I see the ELCA has a "presiding bishop", whereas the WELS synod (which is like saying ATM machine) has a "president", and the ELS which is right next door also has "presidents".

    I could make a tongue in cheek joke meant in good humor that someone who finds the national Orthodox church networks to be too straightforward cooperative and easily understandable, could level up by trying the challenge of mapping out Lutheranism, which seems to be something like at some point in history everyone disagreed with everyone else about every item.

    The Pope should not be ruling anything.

    Rule in the sense of a billion people in theory could, at least in theory, present pope excluded perhaps, high five the pope in some kind of agreement that his plan is close enough to the right way to worship to not sweat it too much, which is a kind of cool way to worship by some points of view, whereas the long history of Lutheranism seems to be that every time you get three Lutherans talking together in the same room, four opposing synods get created. I'm sure they're very happy, worshipping almost individually and alone, at least compared to a billion Catholics all in one big "happy" family. Or maybe the Lutherans are just more honest about the implementation of real small scale human politics, LOL.

    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday April 30 2018, @03:33PM

      by tangomargarine (667) on Monday April 30 2018, @03:33PM (#673771)

      Rule in the sense of a billion people in theory could, at least in theory, present pope excluded perhaps, high five the pope in some kind of agreement that his plan is close enough to the right way to worship to not sweat it too much, which is a kind of cool way to worship by some points of view, whereas the long history of Lutheranism seems to be that every time you get three Lutherans talking together in the same room, four opposing synods get created. I'm sure they're very happy, worshipping almost individually and alone, at least compared to a billion Catholics all in one big "happy" family. Or maybe the Lutherans are just more honest about the implementation of real small scale human politics, LOL.

      Insert joke about Windows vs Linux here? ;)

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  • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Monday April 30 2018, @05:38PM (7 children)

    by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 30 2018, @05:38PM (#673829) Journal

    I thought Lutheranism was a thing because Luther didn't like selling indulgences.

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    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday April 30 2018, @06:14PM (6 children)

      by tangomargarine (667) on Monday April 30 2018, @06:14PM (#673842)

      Directly traceable to the 95 Theses, yes. I'm just saying that there's also a reason why Lutherans don't have a pope, because a lot of the popes were kind of dicks back in the day, and arguably too concerned with worldly issues instead of spiritual.

      But I suppose that would inevitably happen to any organization that ends up with a billion members. Power corrupts and all that.

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      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday April 30 2018, @07:21PM (5 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday April 30 2018, @07:21PM (#673872) Journal

        Good thing nothing like that has ever happened in any Protestant denomination, nope. Definitely not. There are certainly no Protestant groups in bed with the secular powers in, for example, the USA, with plans to bring about Dominionism or other theocracy. Nope. Boyyyy howdy...

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        • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday April 30 2018, @07:28PM (4 children)

          by tangomargarine (667) on Monday April 30 2018, @07:28PM (#673875)

          But I suppose that would inevitably happen to any organization that ends up with a billion members. Power corrupts and all that.

          Pretty much what I said, but I've never credited you with a knack for subtlety, Azuma.

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          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday April 30 2018, @08:35PM (3 children)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday April 30 2018, @08:35PM (#673910) Journal

            I'm capable of subtlety, I just choose not to use it here. The menfolk (TM) seem to need points driven home with the rhetorical equivalent of a 30-pound rubber sledgehammer...

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            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday May 01 2018, @12:35AM (2 children)

              We don't need it exactly, we just prefer it that way. Saves wasted mental effort on social niceties that could be put to use on the issue at hand.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @07:20PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @07:20PM (#674272)

                Ah yes, who has the time for civilization? It is sad to see men who are still brainwashed by the "real men" tropes that cause such internal mental discord.

                Simple and direct communication does not necessitate brutality or a lack of tact. I guess some people just want any excuse to be accepted for their poor behavior.

                • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday May 01 2018, @09:18PM

                  You think politeness at all costs is the same as civilization? How idealistic and wrong. Civilization is nothing but shouting at people rather than killing them. Truth must always trump anyone's feelings or the civilization in question will end. Violently.

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