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"Seoul's Defense Ministry said Monday it will pull back dozens of its frontline loudspeakers on Tuesday.
It says Seoul expects Pyongyang to do the same.
South Korea had turned off its loudspeakers ahead of Friday's summit talks, and North Korea responded by halting its own broadcasts." foxnews.com/world/2018/04/30/latest-s-korea-to-remove-loudspeakers-at-border.html
Seoul had blasted propaganda messages and K-pop songs from border loudspeakers since the North's fourth nuclear test in early 2016. The North quickly matched the South's action with its own border broadcasts.
"South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Monday that President Trump deserves to win a Nobel Peace Prize for his role in talks to denuclearize the Korean peninsula and end the decades-long war between the North and South.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Monday April 30 2018, @07:39PM (37 children)
We don't actually know if Trump had anything to do with it whatsoever. If he gets it, the Nobel really doesn't mean shit. Truthfully, since they gave it to Obama it hasn't meant much either as he didn't deserve it.
How the fuck do you get a Nobel Peace prize, when you're a bombastic shithead that specializes in attacking people and holding leverage over them? Which brings me to another point, Orange Anus claims to have damaging information on this Tester guy in Congress. Why doesn't he tell us, the public, what he knows? Is it really presidential to be holding that info back as leverage in politics?
It's fucking disgusting is what it is, and I don't really feel that any of those shitheads in politics deserve a prize for encouraging peace. Encouraging globalization and increased profits for the Elites yes, but actual peace? Fuck no. What the hell is still going on in Myanmar with the Rohinyga? Syria? Genocide in Africa? Fuck, what about the water in Flint, Michigan? Uh huh, let's just give them all peace prizes for such an excellent job.
My bet on why little Kimmie is acting all nice is because they destroyed their own nuclear test facilities in an accident [scmp.com].
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday April 30 2018, @08:04PM (9 children)
My bet on why little Kimmie is acting all nice is because they destroyed their own nuclear test facilities in an accident [scmp.com].
Yep, he's trying to convert a mountain collapsing into sanctions relief. It's a pretty sad state of affairs when the leader of North Korea seems far more competent than our own president.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Monday April 30 2018, @08:21PM (1 child)
There's a submission [soylentnews.org] about that...
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday May 02 2018, @06:54AM
That's so important. But I did a submission about that. And the Editors accepted it -- very nice of them -- they ran it last Friday. But let me tell you, that was very deceptive of Chairman Kim. Need to stay tough. And need to be very careful of him!!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by quacking duck on Monday April 30 2018, @08:27PM (2 children)
To be honest, I don't mind Trump getting second-hand credit for the current peace initiatives.
Obviously not for any actual effort to pursue peace, but because he was so batshit crazy in his rhetoric and childish name calling that the USA had a leader that actually looked less competent and sane compared to North Korea's leader, allowing them to save face as they went to the negotiations.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday April 30 2018, @08:36PM (1 child)
If we get a re-unified and democratic Korea, we can let him bullshit about his contribution.
I'm not holding my breath.
On the other hand, let's not forget that 4 people got Peace prizes for "not being W". So it would take Korean unification, Iran normalization and the end of Israel apartheid to get them to even stop laughing at the idea that Trump deserves anything.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday April 30 2018, @10:29PM
Not gonna happen in your lifetime.
It is more probable to have a re-unified Korea as a Chinese 'protectorate' than a democratic Korea. At the speed China builds 'outpost islands' in South China Sea, US may need to let it happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Touché) by stretch611 on Monday April 30 2018, @10:27PM (2 children)
Our current president has been quite competent... Is just that you have to recognize his goals.
Give the Rich and Powerful tax breaks... [CHECK]
Remove any type of oversight and accountability to banks and payday lenders. [CHECK]
Roll back CAFE standards for automobiles. [CHECK]
Remove scientific evaluation from the EPA [CHECK]
Remove net-neutrality and allow our ISPs to collect and sell information on us. [CHECK]
If you think he was going to help the average US citizen, that is what caused your logic to fail.
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 2) by arslan on Monday April 30 2018, @10:40PM
Come now, you're a party popper, to avoid unnecessary explosion of heads, the narrative must follow that he is both stupid and evil. Please revise your facts to support this.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @01:12PM
I thought his goals were:
1) Get more money for himself
2) Play golf.
3) Have a "comfortable" lifestyle and live to grope more pussy.
So whoever makes him or his team a suitable plausible offer, he might take it.
I doubt he cares that much about the details or what stuff like CAFE stands for, so other than the first item I sincerely doubt the rest you mentioned would actually be his goals.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday April 30 2018, @10:58PM
Wasn't it the same thing (basically) that brought the Klingons into the Federation?
Maybe Mr. Kard-asian is a Star Trek fan!
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30 2018, @08:08PM
More likely that the Norks just no longer need the facilities for a while and can pretend to stop using them for diplomacy points. Around the time they suckered Der Apfelsine into scheduling a meeting their plutonium facilities went into overdrive. So fools are just being played for the fools they are and NK is just pursuing business as usual.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30 2018, @08:10PM (5 children)
Flint mayor asks EPA to intervene, re-start water meetings cancelled by state [mlive.com]: "The Governor's Office announced April 17 that a meeting of the Flint Water Interagency Coordinating Committee had been canceled because [Mayor] Weaver threatened to sue the state over issues including an end to state-funded bottled water in the city."
(Score: 3, Informative) by Gaaark on Monday April 30 2018, @11:02PM (4 children)
Up here in Canada, we're fighting Nestle trying to take fresh water from small towns (without a lot of money in the bank for lawsuits) for pennies. Maybe if Flint offered them all the water they wanted for pennies.....
...just saying...
....nice clean, fresh Flint water.....go have a look, Nestle....look at all that nice
profiterrrr water...--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday May 01 2018, @02:27AM (2 children)
To be fair, water is pretty cheap.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 01 2018, @02:34AM (1 child)
Water may be cheap if you have a helluva lot of clean water just lying around. But, we are busy poisoning the water in much of the world. It's time to look ahead, Canada. You need to protect your water rights. Just tell Nestle to get the hell out of the country!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday May 01 2018, @03:00AM
Like Canada? Nestle is just buying fresh water where it is cheap and selling it elsewhere. Bottled water is ridiculously low volume compared to other uses for the water (such as agriculture, golf courses, and of course, just letting it run off into the ocean).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @10:41AM
3 step Anti-Nestle Tactic for the Win
1/ Take a video of some guy(s) pissing in a water intake pipe with a Nestle Logo on it.
2/ Post it on Youtube/FaecesBook/Twatter/Whatever, link to a Nelson 'Ha-Ha' clip with a caption of "You drank my Piss!", and showing whatever water brands Nestle hides behind.
3/ Exploit your nerd competencies to make it go viral.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Monday April 30 2018, @08:19PM (4 children)
You know who really deserves a prize? The puppet masters behind the Reagan presidency. Brinksmanship. Space lasers, Rail Guns, Brilliant Pebbles, MAD SDI, man. In your FACE Gorbachev! Can't take the heat in Afghanistan? Too bad, so sad, time to tear down that wall, isn't it?
Sometimes it takes some bombastic shitheadery to knock things back in line, like psycho-chiropracty.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Monday April 30 2018, @09:25PM (3 children)
Except really the prize for that should go to Gorbachev. Say whatever you will about Mikhail, but he had the guts to say "We're not playing anymore". The only reason he survived that decision was that his political enemies were magnanimous enough to allow him to live during the coups and counter-coups of the early 1990's.
Also, there are scholars out there who have put forward strong evidence that the end of the Cold War had little to do with Reagan's space lasers and such [foreignaffairs.com].
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by legont on Monday April 30 2018, @09:37PM
Perhaps, it should go to American Express for giving Mrs. Gorbachev the card.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday April 30 2018, @10:25PM
I'm sure there were (and still are) plenty of General Rippers [wikipedia.org] on both sides of the NATO/USSR line, and the prize should go to Gorbachev for not losing control of any of his.
As for "strong evidence" about anything as enormously important, far reaching, and full of secrets as the Cold War, I imagine there is "strong evidence" for many many spins on what "really happened."
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 2, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday May 01 2018, @01:43AM
We could have ended the Cold War so much sooner. In a way that would be much better for the USSR. I had some terrific ideas about that. I invited Mikhail & Raisa to dinner at Trump Tower. And they were going to come. Supposedly, they were going to come. But they flaked. It was a DISASTER for their country, their country fell apart and I never built a Trump hotel in Russia. Too bad!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30 2018, @08:41PM (1 child)
Absolutely it is. One of most benign tools of a politician.
Kim is young enough, not yet stained with any especially egregious badness, and likely does not want to run like a squirrel in a wheel anymore. However the NK scheme does not permit him to retire before he is dead. There are many good reasons to end this artefact of history. The only one reason to stay - the joy of power. If Kim prefers long term survival of himself and his people, it makes sense to make friends while the terms are good.
(Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday May 01 2018, @06:34PM
Didn't he feed his uncle to a pack of dogs or something?
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30 2018, @09:17PM (2 children)
Q: How do you get a dictator with nukes to back down and choose peace?
A: You said it yourself: "holding leverage"
Q: "Is it really presidential to be holding that info back as leverage in politics?"
A: I'd love to play poker with you.
Q: "What the hell is still going on in Myanmar with the Rohinyga?"
A: Don't start a genocide you can't finish. It'll be peaceful when they are gone.
Q: "what about the water in Flint, Michigan?"
A: The neighboring cities fixed their own damn pipes. Flint is run by democrats.
Q: "why little Kimmie is acting all nice"?
A: There was an "accident". Yeah. The US would never sabotage something like that...
(Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday May 01 2018, @11:38AM
> Q: How do you get a dictator with nukes to back down and choose peace?
A: you put loudspeakers at the border blasting K-Pop until they surrender. The nukes won't launch as they cannot stand K-Pop either.
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(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:57PM
Q: How do you get a dictator with nukes to back down and choose peace?
Allow him to accidentally blow up his own nuke facility and then he will pretend to be disarming on purpose.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 01 2018, @02:29AM (8 children)
I'm with you on that.
That mountain collapsing has scared North Korea. I can't say why - maybe it's something from Korean mythology. Or, maybe their scientists are scared shitless that they've left something out of Pandora's box. Or, maybe Kim woke up, and did some simple math: "We have x number of bombs, the US has x time a couple thousand, Russia has x times a couple thousand, China has . . . .
Whatever has happened, Trump's influence has been negligible.
Another possibility, is that Little Kim has awakened to the fact that his predecessors were all manipulated by Russia. Or, to be more accurate, the Soviet. The whole mess in Korea was engineered by the Soviet to keep the West's attention on the peninsula, rather than on Russia and Siberia. Ditto with Vietnam. Both of those messes also kept China occupied for decades.
There's stuff happening behind the scenes that we, the general public, aren't privy to. And, no matter how it all shakes out, Trump has little if any influence on it. Like Obama, he's just the chump who gets credit for doing nothing.
That old saying about three kinds of people? Those who watch things happening, and wonder what's going on. Those who watch things happen, knowing what's going on. And, those who make things happen. The public falls into that first category.
(Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @03:01AM (7 children)
Trump has been using every carrot and stick on China. China now buys coal from the USA instead of North Korea, and is generally cooperating with the sanctions for the first time ever.
Much of the influence came via Xi, but Xi didn't care until Trump insisted.
(Score: 2, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:26AM
Absolutely, I never forget the great help that my good friend, President Xi of China, has given to the United States, particularly at the Border of North Korea. Without him it would have been a much longer, tougher, process!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 01 2018, @02:45PM (5 children)
Citation needed. I do believe that China is moving away from coal, because the air quality sucks so badly. China needed coal to get started, but they really want to leave coal behind. And, they are regulating coal, to reduce the emissions/pollution.
I won't go so far as to claim that we aren't selling coal to China, but you'll need some kind of citation to support your claim.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 02 2018, @06:43AM
By percentage, coal use is going down. By volume, coal use is going up. Both changes are pretty rapid in China.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday May 02 2018, @07:15AM (3 children)
It's not about American coal. Believe me, China can buy all the American coal they want. And I'll love them for that. This is the coal from North Korea. Don't you follow me on Twitter? I tweeted about it in January, I said China wasn't enforcing the sanctions, there was a lot of under-the-radar on the Chinese side. I said Beijing does not police the border strictly or enforce the sanctions toughly. And in February China said, no more coal. They stopped the coal, because of me. You must have been busy in February. Because it was on @FoxNews [twitter.com]. And Brietbart News. And SoylentNews. China Suspends All Coal Imports from North Korea, look for that one. Long time ago, right? Believe me, I've been working on this for a long time. Working very hard and very "smart." Not always easy to win the Nobel Peace Prize. For Obama it was easy. For a white man, not so easy. But nobody deserves it more than me!!!!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 02 2018, @02:50PM (2 children)
Uhhhhhh - Donny? I'll let you in on a secret. Sensible people don't tweet. I don't twit, I don't tweet, I'm not a fucking bird.
Also, I'm not a follower. So, if I were a damned twit, I wouldn't be following you anyway.
They stopped the coal, because of you? Mmmm-hmmmmm - you can tell yourself that, if it helps you feel good about yourself. Yes, China did suspend coal imports from Korea. China weighed a lot of data, and a lot of options, and decided to suspend coal imports from the Norks. "The Donald" was just one of the many data that were placed on China's balance scale.
Don't make me take you to task yet again for being an egotistical shit. China doesn't care very much WTF you think.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday May 03 2018, @11:28AM (1 child)
I'm a very instinctual person, but my instinct turns out to be right. Hey, look, in the meantime, I guess I can't be doing so badly, because I'm President, and you're not. And now Congress -- 18 of my guys in the House -- nominated me for the Nobel Peace Prize! foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/02/house-lawmakers-formally-nominate-trump-for-2019-nobel-peace-prize.html [foxnews.com]
You'd be better informed if you followed my Twitter. It's @realDonaldTrump [twitter.com]. But, I love the poorly informed!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 03 2018, @01:33PM
Uh-huh. You and Obama can spend your doting old age comparing prizes. I'm impressed. I'm so impressed that - well - let me think - well - I'm so impressed, I think I'll just take a shit.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday May 02 2018, @01:53PM
> We don't actually know if Trump had anything to do with it whatsoever.
Car analogy time!
Car won't start, you are puzzled. Meddling friend insists on looking under the hood. You are terrified because you know he is a pompous ass. He start using a hammer around the engine. WTF you say! He replies "It needs some unblocking".
Then he says: try now, and the car starts.
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