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posted by janrinok on Tuesday May 01 2018, @02:02PM   Printer-friendly
from the no-you-see-me,-now-you-don't dept.

Submitted via IRC for TheMightyBuzzard

Google will slowly be rolling out a number of changes for consumer Gmail users and G Suite users. Some of the changes improve usability and productivity, while others are meant to maximize data and user protection. Some of the new security options should help enterprise users meed GDPR compliance needs.

[...] Gmail confidential mode will allow users to:

  • Set expiration dates for emails or revoke previously sent messages
  • Secure access to the contents of emails by requiring recipients to enter a password
  • Restrict the recipients’ ability to forward, copy, download or print emails.

These things will be possible because these emails will not be actually downloaded in the recipients’ inbox, but will be placed on a separate page/window where their content can be viewed, and the email will show that page.

Guess I'll be switching to ProtonMail for my webmail needs, which, granted, are few.

Source: https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2018/04/26/gmail-self-destructing-emails/


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by zocalo on Tuesday May 01 2018, @02:26PM (30 children)

    by zocalo (302) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @02:26PM (#674142)
    Although there are a some legitimate uses for this (password reset emails, 2FA confirmations, opt-in confirmation emails, and - yes - time-limited marketing/promos, amonst others) it's mostly just fluff for PHBs who ought to know better. There are far too many ways of getting around this to make it anything other than pandering to the clueless or those that are entirely locked into the Google ecosystem (and even then, there's screenshots, saving for offline use, photographs, etc), just as it is with Microsoft's similarly easy to evade "Message Recall" functionality in Outlook/Exchange. Whatever. Don't care and won't be using it, even though I do use GMail for some things.

    What does bother me about this is that it's ripe for abuse. For recipients on non-Google platforms there's presumably going to be a standard template email that lets them open the Google controlled webpage - which will presumably require scripting be enabled to display the content and try to lock down screen captures, "Save As", etc. for good measure. Yeah, let's have another way to encourage users to click on dodgy links in legitimate looking but fake emails - and one that has time based pressure to respond immediately written right into the spec. Fuck you very much, Google! If we make it though the next week before we see some bad actors starting to emulate these messages to phish, push malware, or just get click-throughs, I'll be very surprised.
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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Tuesday May 01 2018, @02:45PM (11 children)

    by Thexalon (636) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @02:45PM (#674151)

    some legitimate uses for this (password reset emails, 2FA confirmations, opt-in confirmation emails

    Really? You let your time-critical email links still work after, say, 30 minutes?

    The big mistake most people and organizations make with email is thinking that it's a remotely secure communications medium. It isn't, it never has been, and we should not be pretending otherwise.

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Tuesday May 01 2018, @03:21PM (9 children)

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01 2018, @03:21PM (#674165)

      My optimistic rose colored glasses interpretation is based on my use of email like a TO DO list and emails (aka to do items) that self destruct when they're no longer useful mean less delete key hitting, which is pretty lame, but emails been around for decades so any attempt to improve is going to be pretty lame little details, so thats appropriate.

      In practice, yeah, its going to be annoying and dumb, mostly. Spam for sales that end next Sunday night will have their expiration date set to the year 3000, of course... which might be an interesting auto-deletion flag... hmm.

      My wife uses her email like an infinite long historical archive which mostly to me looks cluttered and she likely does not "get" the concept of wanting a password reset email to expunge itself eventually... she'd ask "what if in 2073 I need to know the exact date and time I reset my password as a login security question?"

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 01 2018, @03:51PM (8 children)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @03:51PM (#674176)

        My wife uses her email like an infinite long historical archive

        We're the opposite, my wife gets 10x as much e-mail as I do, but keeps her inbox clean and permanently deletes most e-mail. I presently have 2204 unread messages in Gmail that I bypassed due to uninteresting subject line (I do mass "mark as read" on those every few years), and a 7.9 GB archive going back more than 10 years. If I "had that in an e-mail, somewhere" I can usually find it in my Gmail.

        Corporate makes our IT auto-destruct email after 2 years, I'm not actively fighting the policy, but it does occasionally cost the company time/money when I can't find something that would have been valuable if I could have just searched my old messages.

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        • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday May 01 2018, @04:25PM (5 children)

          by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01 2018, @04:25PM (#674192)

          I presently have 2204 unread messages in Gmail

          Oooh... that would make me super anxious as a "to do" email operator, perhaps there's 2203 emails that don't matter and one "you seem to have forgotten your electric bill is due today" email and I'd be pretty nervous I'd miss that similar rare important email. I have zero emails in my inbox at this instant and I find it very relaxing, not quite an alcohol buzz but pretty cheerful.

          • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday May 01 2018, @04:29PM (4 children)

            by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01 2018, @04:29PM (#674194)

            I was so chill and buzzed I didn't even close my quote tag, huh... F I just got an email from Digikey they're now selling 750 watt RF transistors for 900 MHz ISM apps (or ham apps for me, I guess), clicked thru, damn $315.89 each, I'll get back to you boys on that later, hit delete, ahh, back to inbox-zero chill again

            • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:28PM (2 children)

              by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:28PM (#674216)

              I generally remember some kind of "seen it before" subject line, and then scan forward from there, opening anything interesting along the way. It used to be that I would scan forward from the last e-mail I opened and if none were interesting I'd open the newest one just to mark it read, but Gmail started this Unread/Important/Everything Else sorting that, sort of, seems to make my un-filtered inbox a little quicker to deal with, if harder to explain the algorithm.

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              • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:52PM (1 child)

                by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:52PM (#674228)

                Well... thats a valid and workable algorithm. But there's a difference between a workable algorithm, and inbox-zero levels of chill that are so chill I don't need legalized marijuana, I just need an empty inbox. Beyond it merely working, is it fun?

                With a side dish of I hate seeing a "todo" item sit in there uncontrollably for a long time. On long term average they may be equally enjoyable, although the std-deviation of fun for inbox-zero is almost certainly much higher.

                • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 01 2018, @07:28PM

                  by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @07:28PM (#674276)

                  My work inbox is currently at 29 unread, and I know that 29 were not really important - just something I thought I might want to circle back to someday.

                  Then, there are 8 pinned (a MS Office thing), they are usually about future events that I'm too lazy to try to fit into a calendar item. Then there's the calendar - which I was much happier with Google's calendar when I used that at my last company, but they got bought by a big fish and me along with them, so now I use Office 365.

                  The inbox itself is never "emptied" - I just let them roll out automatically at the end of the 2 year period, and bitch loudly when I'm asked about something that I had in an e-mail 26 months ago.

                  I find it liberating to be able to accept a non-zero inbox count. A few new ones? Not so different from status-quo, but if status-quo is zero - then it will be perpetually being put into a bad state by trivial junk.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:28PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:28PM (#675323)

              > 750 watt RF transistors for 900 MHz ISM apps (or ham apps for me, I guess),

              YES!!!!

              > damn $315.89 each

              Fuuuuuuck. :(

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by moondrake on Tuesday May 01 2018, @09:52PM

          by moondrake (2658) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @09:52PM (#674328)

          > If I "had that in an e-mail, somewhere" I can usually find it in my Gmail.

          You can?

          My biggest complaint against gmail is that it seems to have the most atrocious search functionality that I can think of. I have no idea now to find things in long threads quickly, as the result of a search is the whole thread instead of a message (that thread, in my case, can be 100 mails long). I also have not had much luck with using AND OR or wildcards in searches.

          This, ironically, from a company that got big through searches.

          I bet they did not improve this functionality though.

        • (Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Wednesday May 02 2018, @08:32PM

          by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 02 2018, @08:32PM (#674747)

          Corporate makes our IT auto-destruct email after 2 years

          Man I wish we could do something like that here. Several packrats working here, always complaining about full mailboxes. Even had one fill up a 20Gb archive file. To be fair she does have to deal with a ridiculous amount of email and is pretty diligent about paring it down, but man they keep a ton of history around here. Don't get me started about having to get a microfiche reader working to view some OLLLD pay stubs.

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    • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Tuesday May 01 2018, @04:36PM

      by Wootery (2341) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @04:36PM (#674197)

      Agreed. We already have a way of handling this kind of problem: you email a link to a time-limited web page... which, as you say, is exactly what password reset links do.

      There is zero value in pretending that my email client works for the sender. It doesn't, it works for me. If it doesn't, it's because it's been vandalised, which appears to be Google's intention here.

      There's a whole industry making products that pretend to solve impossible/incoherent problems like this: 'data rooms', intended to enable you to share confidential documents with people you don't trust. Document-oriented file-sharing for the technically incompetent paranoid, with features like 'screenshot prevention' and 'page-level user activity tracking'. Seriously. [datarooms.com]

      I hope GDPR doesn't encourage that kind of misguided thinking.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @02:46PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @02:46PM (#674153)

    Gmail the new pdf, but with tracking. Facebook have first and sell to highest bidder.

    Google, you know the electrons leak information?

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 01 2018, @03:38PM (15 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @03:38PM (#674169)

    entirely locked into the Google ecosystem

    One thing I will say for the big red G is that I've never felt the bars of my cage. I've used Gmail as my primary email client since I don't remember when, and I migrated most of my e-mail traffic to my Gmail address a few years later, but... unlike yahoo.com, all the ISPs that want you to use e-mail addresses on their domain, and of course Microsoft, I've never felt locked in to Gmail - there's never been this feeling of "it's going to be a huge pain in the ass to use some other service or tool, because we spiked our service with this poison pill for deserters." The lock-in may be just as real with Gmail, but, as the least locked-in feeling service, they have won my loyalty.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Tuesday May 01 2018, @04:16PM (6 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01 2018, @04:16PM (#674187) Journal

      It's not just the big red G.

      Apple loyalists cannot see that from the outside, their "walled garden" looks to everyone else like a prison camp. Complete with barbed wire and machine gun emplacements.

      Deliberately incompatible with everything else, except when it is directly in Apple's interest, or need, to be compatible. Like when Apple doesn't really have a choice. Example: in the 1990s you're not going to force iPad users to all use Mac, so you BETTER put iTunes on Windows, reluctantly.

      People have long recognized Apple's reality distortion field. Yet nobody says a similar thing about the big red G.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @06:18PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @06:18PM (#674241)

        In the 1990s, Apple's tablet computers weren't called iPad; they were called Newton [wikipedia.org]. They didn't work with iTunes; they worked with the Names and Dates software, which did have Windows versions just as you say.

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday May 01 2018, @07:01PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01 2018, @07:01PM (#674263) Journal

          Oh, the difference one letter makes.

          I meant to say iPod.

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      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @07:17PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @07:17PM (#674271)

        Have you ever used an apple product? Fairly standard product and works with anything you want to throw at it. Where, exactly, is this "walled garden"? OS X - based on BSD, can compile a bunch of gnu sources to run. Not as proprietary as you state.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 02 2018, @10:17AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 02 2018, @10:17AM (#674520)

          What's the official way of installing an app on an iDevice from outside the walled garden[1]?

          [1] Includes the App Store, iTunes, Apple developer account, Macs...

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:32PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:32PM (#674607) Journal

          In the 80's and 90's I was a card carrying Apple fanboy. I owned probably about $15,000 worth of Apple equipment (or more). And that was in 1990's dollars. This was back when Apple was a great company. Innovative. When the rest of the entire computer industry was, as Byte Magazine put it, the history of the microcomputer industry is one big effort to keep up with Apple.

          Since OS X, Apple is an entirely different company. I gave it a try. Didn't like. And there was this new Linux toy I became interested in.

          A friend offered me a free iPhone in about 2008. Oh, doesn't work with Linux. Must have iTunes and thus Mac or Windows. But I would want to develop for it, so, oh, can only use Mac. And have to pay Apple for the privilege of developing. Have to get blessing from Apple to even install my own code onto my own device. Have to pay Apple annually to put an app into iTunes? No thanks!

          Soon I was playing with Android. It used, at the time, and still can, use Eclipse -- which I still use every day. Runs on Linux, Windows, Mac. Uses the same language I already know. In fact a lot of Java technologies and libraries I already know. I don't need anybody's permission to write code. Or to put my code onto my device. Only a one time smaller than Apple fee to put apps into the play store.

          As for compatibility. Apple seems, to me, an outsider, to be constantly changing connectors and cables. And the new cables always come with an Apple-high price. Then soon they are obsolete for the next generation of cables and connectors.

          Apple systems become obsolete artificially quick. A friend was telling me, some years ago, how the latest Safari browser would suddenly only work on the newest OS X. And the OS X would stop supporting old hardware awfully quick. Before that hardware's time had come. So if you wanted the latest browser, you need the latest OS, and thus new hardware at an accelerated rate. No thanks!

          Apple's patent lawsuits didn't put them in my good graces either. Bouncy scrolling. Slide to unlock. You've got to be kidding. In one foreign court Apple argued that Samsung could have chosen not to make their tablet so thin, light, nor with such small bezels. Really? Thin and light weight are now Apple exclusives?

          Apple does not play well with others. It seems to me that Apple deliberately introduces incompatibility when possible, when it would not put Apple at a disadvantage.

          And why not? Apple fanboys always come back for more abuse! And they seem to love it!

          No thanks!

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      • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Wednesday May 02 2018, @10:17AM

        by TheRaven (270) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @10:17AM (#674519) Journal

        Deliberately incompatible with everything else, except when it is directly in Apple's interest, or need, to be compatible

        Apple Mail on both iOS and macOS speaks SMTP, POP3 and IMAP4. There are no features that don't work if you use these. The iOS version sucks, but that's an unrelated issue. Both work fine with any mail server.

        Apple's calendar and contact service (which is the back end for their address book and calendar apps on iOS and macOS) speaks CalDAV and CardDAV as their native sync protocol. These are both IETF standards and Apple even released an open source reference implementation. Both my Mac and iPad sync with my Nextcloud install out of the box. Doing the same on Windows or Android requires third-party adaptors (I use DAVDroid on my Android phone).

        Apple's Notes app can store notes in any standard IMAP server. The imapnotes2 app on Android interoperates with it, for example.

        macOS is certified as compliant with the Single UNIX Specification [opengroup.org] and also implements a number of FreeBSD-compatible extensions (for example, kqueue).

        I don't entirely disagree with your assertion, but the caveat 'when it is directly in Apple's interest' to be compatible is a very big loophole: most of the time it is in Apple's interest to be compatible.

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    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday May 01 2018, @04:18PM (1 child)

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01 2018, @04:18PM (#674188)

      least locked-in feeling service

      Also note in the spirit of that story from Best Korea about "only old people use email anymore", email used to be the primary (well, maybe secondary after usenet) form of social media.

      But now.. Lets look at my inbox. A kickstarter I signed up for is in spam the interested mode to churn more money, contractor job spam, non-remote employment 300 miles away for less money job spam (LOL as if), one of my mutual funds released a quarterly or a prospectus or some thing similar I should read but probably will not at this time (maybe during rebalancing season, sure). Linkedin told me theres 54000 jobs in my metro area which is about 10% of total employment around here, I bet they send the same spam to literally every member, lame, weak. I got a spam, correctly categorized as spam, for an ICO offer for something that mystifyingly implements KYC banking rules using a blockchain to store the crypto keys for PII in a secure and permanent and confidential manner or something like that. My regional pizza chain is offering a deal on pizza; I eat high carb junk food like once a month so naturally I get three spams from this place per day. Make magazine sent an email with next months printed topics listed today, kinda spoils it, I think, also there's a maker faire a mere 2000 miles away from me that I almost care about, but don't. Elektor magazine is spamming a high end high fi DAC sound card for a raspberry pi for merely ten times the cost of a decent USB sound interface and about the cost of a dedicated small PC, best of luck selling that. Code Academy sent me a spam to learn SQL, would have been interesting in 1994 or so, nothing defines spam quite like poor targeting. Maybe they wanted me to teach the class LOL. USPS sends me, free, daily informed delivery daily digest which is pretty cool feature for snail mail amusingly theres people who STILL claim that someone claiming that the PO takes pix of all mail that pass thru it is a patriot alt-right conspiracy theory retard and I try to tell those dumb asses its not a conspiracy theory because anyone in their delivery area with a valid email address, can sign up for the daily emails with pictures completely for free, which is nice because if its gonna rain when I know I'm getting a package I'll adjust my daily schedule to pick it up before it gets soaked, and heck, its not terribly useful but for what I paid (free) its a good deal, and today the USPS is delivering spam for video service from my local cable company from whom I only get cablemodem service and they're pretty butthurt I'm not watching my USDA recommended dosage of leftist video propaganda or old 1970s shitty reruns or basically in summary they want me to pay for a video signal implementation of manure delivery, so I can enjoy watching it dry or some similar mixed metaphor. Ancestry.com has updated our Privacy Statement with you in mind, whatever the fuck that means, probably they're selling everything they know to everyone except private citizens which is what those things usually mean although perhaps not in this case, who cares.

      Now there's some business related stuff in my separate business email account, but everyone on both sides of the discussion knows its all public if there were ever legal issues, and both sides have copies of everything, so we don't document anything "juicy" or interesting. Mostly because most of it is not juicy or interesting, LOL. Wanna see my latest email from Jenkins, its really hot hot hot (no, its not really, unless you think its hot the latest build passed all the unit tests, always nice to see, anyway).

      The point of the above text wall being I'm a pretty heavy internet user and there's nothing interesting to secure in my emails, at least not anymore. I would imagine average users have nothing to secure in email anymore. Its just google looking for meaningless feature request bullet points.

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:19PM

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:19PM (#674213)

        There's a sliding scale:

        company e-mail for least juicy dishes,

        company chat or phone system might carry 1 degree warmer topics,

        outside company e-mail through company servers +2 degrees,

        outside company e-mail through home servers +3,

        private phone to private phone SMS +4,

        face-to-face in closed office +5,

        private phone to private phone while both parties offsite +6,

        face-to-face offsite in public place +7,

        face-to-face offsite with relative privacy +8.

        I don't deal with anything that would require more, but you can start erecting cones of silence, fuzzing windows to thwart IR laser eavesdropping, RF jamming, meeting offshore, etc.

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    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @04:55PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @04:55PM (#674202)

      The lock-in may be just as real with Gmail, but, as the least locked-in feeling service, they have won my loyalty.

      You give your loyalty to google?! Ha, ha, ha! And we thought ethonal-fuel was the stupidest one here.

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:21PM (4 children)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:21PM (#674214)

        give your loyalty to google

        Using them continuously for 10+ years has to count as some kind of de-facto loyalty. Show me a better, more reliable, convenient and cheaper alternative and I'll be defecting in short order.

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        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday May 01 2018, @10:31PM (3 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01 2018, @10:31PM (#674338) Journal

          Get a cheap Web hosting plan and a domain name. Most will come with at least 5 mailboxen on top of which you can POP or IMAP.
          Yes, mailing apps on mobile devices will work with mail accounts outside their walls.

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          • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday May 02 2018, @01:13AM (2 children)

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @01:13AM (#674382)

            I have one, with a domain attached, have had the same one since the 1990s, and I think it comes with 30 e-mail boxes. I used one for years first with Eudora, then Thunderbird, later accessed via Gmail, and eventually I quit using it. I POP3ed with it, IMAPed with it for a while, if you send me an e-mail there I still get it in my gmail inbox, but I think it has dropped to zero traffic by now (still get the occasional wide SPAM barrage that just tries all common names at all domains.com). I gave a few addresses to my wife and a few other relatives, but when Eudora became impractical to continue using my wife moved away from it to Gmail too. I have been overpaying for the website and domain for years, probably could cut my expense in half if I shopped the deal - thought about trying to move it to an AWS free tier node, but... half of almost nothing is still just about almost nothing, and screwing around with it is more hassle than I ever seem to have time for. Thus, Gmail wins - even though I have this "sunk cost" service that I could use instead. Sure, they're skimming value off of reading my messages: newsflash: if I ever want to communicate something over the web that I don't want the powers that be to see... I can do that. I just don't have anything like that that I want to say to anybody who I never see face to face.

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            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday May 02 2018, @04:00AM (1 child)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 02 2018, @04:00AM (#674442) Journal

              Well, I haven't properly factored the convenience.
              I moved my mother's email account from gmail - it started to ask for a mobile number/device/etc.
              My mother continues to not use any of these, she's using thunderbird (and no web ui) anyway, so...

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              • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday May 02 2018, @01:18PM

                by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @01:18PM (#674547)

                Yeah, the effort adds up: after the fourth time I had to install and configure Eudora for my wife, then I did Thunderbird for her which she hated - I think she was already in Gmail before we got phones that really did e-mail (we had some 10 key flip phones that sort of could e-mail for a long time, never used it on them)... So, I never even tried to play POP/IMAP on Android because it comes through Gmail which we were using anyway. That's a lock-in convenience that I can live with.

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  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 01 2018, @03:41PM

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @03:41PM (#674172)

    presumably require scripting be enabled to display the content and try to lock down screen captures, "Save As", etc. for good measure. Yeah, let's have another way to encourage users to click on dodgy links in legitimate looking but fake emails - and one that has time based pressure to respond immediately written right into the spec. Fuck you very much, Google!

    Yeah, couldn't agree more. I'm hoping this is one of their "fail fast" experiments that's dropped next quarter.

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