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posted by janrinok on Thursday May 03 2018, @06:33PM   Printer-friendly
from the how-many-women-voted? dept.

Iowa approves one of strictest abortion bills in US

The US state of Iowa has approved one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country, banning most abortions once a foetal heartbeat is detected. Republican lawmakers, who control both chambers, passed the bill in back-to-back votes, sending it to the governor's desk to sign into law.

If [signed], the bill would ban most abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. Critics argue the bill makes having an abortion illegal before most women even realise they are pregnant.

[...] If [Governor Kim] Reynolds signs the bill into law, it will likely be challenged in court for possibly violating Roe v Wade, the US Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion in 1973. [...] Some Republican lawmakers welcomed the challenge. "I would love for the United States Supreme Court to look at this bill and have this as a vehicle to overturn Roe v. Wade," Republican Senator Jake Chapman said.

Also at NPR, Reuters, the Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier, and The Hill:

Nineteen states adopted a total of 63 restrictions to the procedure in 2017, which is the highest number of state laws on the issue since 2013, according to the Guttmacher Institute. State legislatures have proposed 15 bills that would ban abortions after 20 weeks and 11 bills that would ban abortions if the sole reason is a genetic anomaly like Down syndrome.

Related: Ohio Bill Would Ban Abortion when a Prenatal Test is Positive for Down Syndrome
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  • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday May 03 2018, @07:55PM (14 children)

    by Freeman (732) on Thursday May 03 2018, @07:55PM (#675274) Journal

    There are plenty of people who would vote for abortion, if the only exceptions were for good medical reasons. A child born brain-dead would be a valid exception. A child that wouldn't survive birth, would live for a short time, but be in pain the entire time. These are things that normal people have No issue with when regarding abortion. Giving the woman the chance to decide between her own life or that of her baby's is another.

    The problem is that you have left wing liberals who are pushing a distinct, Abortion, woman's right only! While at the same time defining the right to abort as any time up to 6 months after the baby is born or some such nonsense. For any reason they feel like. Guess what, a man that gets a woman pregnant has to pay child support, if they aren't together. A woman who gets pregnant should, if at all possible carry it to full term. She can adopt it out, if she doesn't want it. Otherwise, at least she would only be inconvenienced for 9 months for her indiscretion / lack of good judgment. Sure, there's also the case of rape, but that's not generally the One sticking point between the two sides.

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  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03 2018, @08:09PM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03 2018, @08:09PM (#675281)

    The problem is that you have left wing liberals who are pushing a distinct, Abortion, woman's right only!

    You're right! This is a huge problem! Pregnant men should have the right to an abortion as well!

    her indiscretion / lack of good judgment.

    lol!

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Freeman on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:19PM (6 children)

      by Freeman (732) on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:19PM (#675317) Journal

      Or perhaps they should have the right to not play child support? Personally, I think the guy should take responsibility for his actions and at the minimum pay child support. That's not in strict accordance to a let the guy choose! Oh, he chose when he had sex with the woman, but she didn't choose when she had sex with him?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03 2018, @10:24PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03 2018, @10:24PM (#675363)

        You can't frame this as a men's rights issue. Don't even try.

        If you're concerned about child support (a regressive system that is inherently sexist against men), then free access to abortion can help, yet that falls short of being a complete solution on its own. You're correct in bristling at the sex-negative puritan shit when it's applied against men in the context of child support, so you seek to apply pregnancy against women in retaliation by opposing abortion. Or perhaps it's not retaliation, but more like grasping at straws.

        I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish. Child support should be abolished, and I'll be cheering you on if your mission is to repeal those laws. Attacking abortion is not the way.

        • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday May 03 2018, @10:36PM (3 children)

          by Freeman (732) on Thursday May 03 2018, @10:36PM (#675367) Journal

          No, I whole heartedly support the notion of Child Support. Even though, it can be abused in some cases.

          What I'm saying is that people need to take responsibility for their actions.

          Laws Against Abortion and laws for Child Support are societies' way to tell people to grow up. You don't want to have a kid, then don't have a kid. Get a procedure to get your tubes tied, a vasectomy, use birth control of various forms, etc. Just don't use abortion as your means of birth control or your lack of responsibility to make it seem ok not to support the child you helped create.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @02:12AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @02:12AM (#675435)

            Fair enough then. I disagree but don't feel like belaboring the point. How will we fund the orphanages?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @02:23AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @02:23AM (#675441)

            Laws Against Abortion and laws for Child Support are societies' way to tell people to grow up.

            No, they're society's way of trying to get government thugs to force people to remain pregnant. Anyone who isn't a disgusting authoritarian opposes such laws.

          • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Friday May 04 2018, @12:28PM

            by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Friday May 04 2018, @12:28PM (#675613) Journal

            What I'm saying is that people need to take responsibility for their actions.

            That logic wipes out the vast majority of medical interventions, by the way. A very high number, both medical and trauma - including virtually every traffic accident - can be laid at the feet of the individual seeking treatment.
            Again, watch that mote you're looking for... the beam in your own will become apparent sooner or later.

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      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday May 04 2018, @02:26AM

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday May 04 2018, @02:26AM (#675442) Journal

        Or perhaps they should have the right to not play child support?

        Children require support. If only there was some way to avoid that requirement....

    • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday May 03 2018, @10:58PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Thursday May 03 2018, @10:58PM (#675379)

      You're right! This is a huge problem! Pregnant men should have the right to an abortion as well!

      And, for that matter, men should have a right to have babies [youtube.com] if they want them.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:27PM (2 children)

    by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:27PM (#675321) Journal

    There are also plenty of people who take the line that every embryo gets a soul the moment the sperm enters the egg and that there are absolutely no justifications ever for destroying human life even upon rape of mother or that the mother should die because that is God's will too.

    Not all those answers have to go together, but the number that would disagree with your statements outright [gallup.com] and say that abortion should be illegal in all circumstances appears to hover around 20 percent.

    Those who are pushing have diversity of opinion also. The majority I'm aware of (and I may be wrong that it is a majority) feel that unless the fetus can survive on its own it is biologically integral to the mother and it is therefore the mother's choice and that of her healthcare provider and should not be anybody else's business what she decides. That is what is codified in Roe. "Some such nonsense," seems to indicate you should educate yourself as to what the law is - I believe you do not understand what the decision actually specifies nor the reasons behind them. And the history of what happened in periods when abortion was illegal: Hint - they still happened and often took the mother's life also due to lack of knowledge regarding safety.

    Roe certainly can be updated to reflect what modern medicine knows about survival and viability rates.

    The rationale of the court, if overturned, can come and poke you in the behind as well: If the law can intervene and say that a woman's right to pursue the care she chooses is not legal you open the door for state interference with your own healthcare on any number of grounds it deems compelling. No, you can't have a _____ procedure if your weight is over thus-and-such. A smoker is not entitled to care for his or her lungs. Are you prepared to have the government tell YOU that YOU can't have a certain procedure because the Peepul have decided that a Higher Calling Exists which means you can't have it? Be careful.

    And my apologies if any of the above offended you.

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    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:39PM (1 child)

      by Freeman (732) on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:39PM (#675332) Journal

      Please note the same source also shows that there's even a higher percentage that believe it should be legal under any circumstance.
      http://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/Abortion.aspx [gallup.com]

      While the majority of people (let's call them rational people) think it should be legal only under certain circumstances.

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      • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Friday May 04 2018, @12:23PM

        by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Friday May 04 2018, @12:23PM (#675611) Journal

        Let's not call them rational people, as you have no foundation to do so. The majority of people are not necessarily rational nor educated. (Educated not meaning having attended enough school. Rather meaning having taken the time to both study things like ethics, standards of medical care, biology, and any other relevant fields to the question. Also in the sense that they have quietly and deliberately taken time to think through the issue on their own initiate and come to a moral conclusion.) Let's call that a majority of people. A mob.

        Just because a majority of people believe something does not make it right, especially when considering a decision that applies to a minority of people. I'm not saying that community is unimportant, either - I've posted before that there are times when community standards may indeed override individual choice and it is right to do so in those circumstances. In this case, however, it is interference with an inidividual's right to choose a course of treatment. One done in the belief that the developing fetus has rights even though it has zero chance of survival outside the biological envelope of the mother, and with taken with absolutely no consideration of the developmental physiology involved. Sperm hit the egg and it's a person now!

        Since you didn't respond to anything I said about viability, dependent survivability, and patient-provider confidentiality and autonomy that you feel the state can just dictate to you whatever it chooses about what medical treatments you may have for yourself. It implies the converse, dictating to the medical profession what it may and may not do - which is a legitimate circumscription but broadens the scope of it considerably in an alarming fashion. Enjoy that universe! Me, I'm glad I don't live in Iowa now.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:27PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:27PM (#675322)

    after the baby is born

    Where do you come up with this horse shit? You need to turn off Faux News. That shit's rotting your brain.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Freeman on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:42PM

      by Freeman (732) on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:42PM (#675335) Journal

      I haven't watched Fox News or any other media circus for quite some time. Instead, I get all of my interesting news through Soylent News! Though, they can be riot sometimes.

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