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posted by janrinok on Thursday May 03 2018, @06:33PM   Printer-friendly
from the how-many-women-voted? dept.

Iowa approves one of strictest abortion bills in US

The US state of Iowa has approved one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country, banning most abortions once a foetal heartbeat is detected. Republican lawmakers, who control both chambers, passed the bill in back-to-back votes, sending it to the governor's desk to sign into law.

If [signed], the bill would ban most abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. Critics argue the bill makes having an abortion illegal before most women even realise they are pregnant.

[...] If [Governor Kim] Reynolds signs the bill into law, it will likely be challenged in court for possibly violating Roe v Wade, the US Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion in 1973. [...] Some Republican lawmakers welcomed the challenge. "I would love for the United States Supreme Court to look at this bill and have this as a vehicle to overturn Roe v. Wade," Republican Senator Jake Chapman said.

Also at NPR, Reuters, the Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier, and The Hill:

Nineteen states adopted a total of 63 restrictions to the procedure in 2017, which is the highest number of state laws on the issue since 2013, according to the Guttmacher Institute. State legislatures have proposed 15 bills that would ban abortions after 20 weeks and 11 bills that would ban abortions if the sole reason is a genetic anomaly like Down syndrome.

Related: Ohio Bill Would Ban Abortion when a Prenatal Test is Positive for Down Syndrome
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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:36PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03 2018, @09:36PM (#675330)

    Even if we grant you the moral high ground, which I do NOT, the reality is that making abortions illegal has massive negative outcomes. You get women going to backalley docs with significantly higher risks, or doing some sort of self-harm to cause a miscarriage. Don't forget the unwanted children, growing up hated by mom (rape cases) creates some pretty serious psychopaths and negative life outcomes. Growing up in an orphanage is also pretty terrible. There was also a study that showed that 15-20 years after abortion was legalized crime rates started to drop.

    So, unless you are willing to fund all these unwanted children then STFU. Typical bullshit morality. If you're so concerned with murder then why do religious conservatives overwhelming support our wars in the middle east? Drone killings, collateral damage, etc.?

    Where does the personal responsibility lie if a woman does her best to not get pregnant with birth control but it happens anyway? What about non-christian babies who would end up in hell anyway? Have you ever given your beliefs any real critical thought?

    Oh, here is a trade off. I'll agree to ban abortions if you can build an organization that takes in EVERY unwanted baby and raises them well, along with no more persecuting gay people, and your churches are no longer tax-exempt. We'll have to confiscate the guns from any christian person since they can be used to muuuuurrderrrr. There will be a few other provisions, but those are the immediate ones I can think of.

    How many unwanted babies have you adopted again?

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  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Freeman on Thursday May 03 2018, @10:24PM (1 child)

    by Freeman (732) on Thursday May 03 2018, @10:24PM (#675362) Journal

    Killing someone who intends to harm you or your loved ones is self defense. Not murder, as the moral definition of murder would be the killing of an innocent.

    War is all kinds of messed up. The USA has been involved in quite a few. Some wars that aren't / weren't "wars", too. At what point do we say enough is enough, at what point do we turn the other cheek, at what point do we find it reasonable to murder thousands of civilians, because we're fed up? We're the only country to have used atomic weapons in war. At what point does a civilian population become liable for their leaders' actions? At what point is an "innocent civilian" no longer an innocent? Sure, lets not be involved in anymore wars and become pacifists. That will fix everything. It's not like we've been attacked without provocation, before. Actually, guess what, there have been at least two distinct instances of that happening. Pearl Harbor and the Twin Towers were the catalysts for the following wars the United States got involved in. I dare say, that the civilian casualties have likely gone down with the advent of modern warfare. We'll assume you mean truly modern, like desert storm+.

    Guess what, life is full of responsibilities, some like Child Support for men who get women pregnant. I don't think it's too much to ask for a woman who accidentally gets pregnant to take responsibility for their actions.

    There are already organizations that adopt out children. Healthy babies aren't hard to find homes for. I haven't adopted any children, but I'm also not in a financial place to do so. I do have a brother that has adopted a child, though.

    How / why churches are tax-exempt isn't something I've really read up on. Though, Jesus himself said "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.", so I'm not opposed to Churches abiding by the law. (There are certain exceptions, but they are generally acceptable to most. Please see the "Underground Railroad" as an example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_Railroad [wikipedia.org])

    No one should be persecuted and without a bit more information there's not much more I can say about persecution of gay people.

    Finally, on to the illegal abortions, etc. when abortion was illegal. Perhaps, the people getting the abortions should feel guilty and remorseful. Just like we expect rehabilitated inmates to be. What we need to do is provide support for women who wouldn't have any recourse. Such as Shelters for Women.

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 04 2018, @04:11AM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday May 04 2018, @04:11AM (#675485) Journal

      > you don't believe there's a God.

      Hold up there. I do. I'm a Deist (panentheist, but who knows what that means?). YOU are the one who doesn't, actually, believe in God. You think you do, but your Yahweh is the only being that could possibly quality for the term "Devil with a capital D" I've ever heard of.

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