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Rafael Avila de Espindola, one of the top contributors to the LLVM compiler toolset, has cut ties with the open source project over what he perceives as code of conduct hypocrisy and support for ethnic favoritism. In a message posted to the LLVM mailing list, de Espindola said he was leaving immediately and cited changes in the community.
LLVM project founder, Chris Lattner responded; "I applaud Rafael for standing by his personal principles, this must have been a hard decision." Lattner also insisted that "it is critical to the long term health of the project that we preserve an inclusive community."
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* m2 stares at the monitor... it looks like a hamburger...
m2 - that's a bad sign
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @01:24PM (10 children)
So you mean like a feminist who might cite any number of feminist authors who have written volumes dripping with homophobia, transphobia, misandry, transmisogyny (and probably works championing transmisandry and the idea that trans men are traitors), sexism, and cissexism?
I will admit though that I have sympathies for a black person who might buckle under our massively unfair system and turn to racism. I reject identity politics completely. We will find, however, that when we find the basis for the problems blacks are statistically more likely to face, we will find a preponderance of blacks in the working class--the working poor specifically.
I hope that feminists find their feminist programming language. Seems to me that LLVM is an ideal project for such a pursuit. I just don't think that anybody who is not a cisgender woman should help them with that. That's not because I wish harm to cisgender women, but it's because anybody who is not a cisgender woman, sooner or later, will be utterly fucked over by them in any space where cisgender women have ultimate political authority. Cisgender women need their own spaces, and we should let them have fun with that.
Meh, I don't feel like logging in. Y'all know who I am.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @02:44PM
We are working on replacing them - the illegals from south of the border are more compliant workers.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday May 04 2018, @03:43PM
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by PiMuNu on Friday May 04 2018, @10:56PM (7 children)
> So you mean like a feminist who might cite any number of feminist authors
Yes, I completely mean that; if someone is full of poison against *some gender* or *some race*, that's a problem. Could be a woman who is full of poison against men, or vice versa, or race or whatever. CoC is there to justify whatever action is taken against that person.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 05 2018, @10:06AM (6 children)
Works in theory. In practice it's used to discriminate against anyone not waving the intersectional feminist flag hard enough, because practically every CoC except our proposed one [github.com] is written and interpreted by an intersectional feminist. Thus, any hate or discrimination directed towards white people or men is perfectly hunky dory and asians are starting to feel a bit of it as well.
In any case, you do not need a Code of Conduct to tell someone "You're causing more trouble on the team than you're worth. Beat it.". People have been giving others the boot without one since people have existed.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Saturday May 05 2018, @12:03PM (5 children)
> In practice it's used to discriminate against anyone not waving the intersectional feminist flag
I can't comment on that. It depends on the project.
> In any case, you do not need a Code of Conduct to tell someone
Disagree.
In UK at least, you are liable to damages if you exclude people from an activity on basis of various things like race and gender. The Scout Association recently got successfully sued for excluding someone on basis of disability (specifically autism). So you have to be careful. Something like a CoC protects the organisation from being sued because it allows much better defined logic for kicking someone out for "HR reasons" (i.e. they are an asshat).
I think it is quite common across Europe, but maybe not so in US.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 05 2018, @01:19PM (4 children)
If you live in a society where people can play the SJW reasons card when fired for a perfectly valid reason and win, I'd advise picking another society on the grounds of yours sucks.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Saturday May 05 2018, @02:39PM (3 children)
I'm okay with it. Anecdotally, I know more people that have been in a situation to have been protected by such legislation than to have been hurt by it (but I do know instances where people have, to use your horrible wording, "played the SJW reasons card").
I don't know any situations where it really hit the lawyers, so I can't make stronger statement.
To turn it around, "If you live in a society where people can use gender, race, etc as an excuse to treat people badly, I'd advise picking another society on the grounds of yours sucks". Swings, meet roundabouts. It comes down to personal preference and ability to move.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 05 2018, @02:55PM (2 children)
That's not turning it around. Actual discrimination is an entirely different issue than false claims of it. It's entirely possible to think those practicing either could use a good public flaying.
As for the "horrible wording", if you can't tell the difference between an SJW and a progressive/liberal and don't despise SJWs as as much as I do, you need to take a closer look at what they've been doing in your name and the control of your side of the aisle they've acquired. That's assuming for politeness's sake that you're not one of them yourself.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Tuesday May 08 2018, @01:43PM (1 child)
> don't despise SJWs as as much as I do
The "SJW" thing seems to be a US thing. It seems to be used as a label for people who are pretending to be nice and thoughtful towards minorities/etc but are actually horrid politicos? In my experience that is not a particularly big group, although I have known people like that. It seems, on this site, to be used more as a slur on people who are genuinely trying to be nice, to imply that they are some horrible politico with some sinister agenda. So I find the acronym pretty unpleasant. Sorry.
I don't really know what it means in the UK context. For example, we have "champagne socialists" and "political correctness" as memes which might be some aspect of it? But e.g. the leader of the opposition is actually a genuine die-hard socialist in the UK (rather than whatever the democrats are in the US). In the UK the politicians seem less disingenuous in the UK as far as I can tell, and SJW doesnt really map terribly well.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday May 08 2018, @02:35PM
Not really, though there are some of those in the SJW ranks for certain. I'll give you a list of their most typical traits of the US ones and let you work out who is one and who isn't for yourself:
That's not a comprehensive list by any means but it hits the high points.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.