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posted by mrpg on Saturday May 12 2018, @06:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the cool-story-bro dept.

Right now, about one in five new homes in California comes with solar panels already installed. In two years, it will be all of them.

On Wednesday, California Energy Commission's vote was unanimous: California will soon become the first state to require solar panels on all new homes and on residential buildings smaller than four stories.

The law, which takes effect Jan. 1, 2020, specifies the minimum size of the system would be based on the size of the building and can vary between 2 and 7 kilowatts of output per dwelling.

California mandates solar panels on all new homes by 2020

Also at https://www.nytimes.com

An editorial in the Los Angeles Times expresses support for the measure.


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  • (Score: 2) by Entropy on Saturday May 12 2018, @11:46AM (12 children)

    by Entropy (4228) on Saturday May 12 2018, @11:46AM (#678781)

    Less affordable housing. Good job.

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  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday May 12 2018, @11:50AM (7 children)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday May 12 2018, @11:50AM (#678785) Journal

    That already happened, entirely without solar panels.

    People really can't commute any further than they already do, and traffic can't get any worse than the standstill it already is. California will have to come up with different solutions since the free market is failing to deliver the housing stock that is required.

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    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 12 2018, @12:29PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 12 2018, @12:29PM (#678799)

      How are government restrictions a failure of a free market?

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 12 2018, @01:17PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 12 2018, @01:17PM (#678809)

        Let me introduce you to a little book called economics in one lesson. http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/ [steshaw.org]

        The book shows how many gov restrictions if not carried out correctly can have the exact opposite effect of what they intend. Also remember big businesses can basically BUY laws to help lock out little players and lower competition. It is an interesting theory and a subset of the broken window fallacy.

        http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/chap06p1.html [steshaw.org]
        http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/chap18p1.html [steshaw.org]

        • (Score: 2) by frojack on Saturday May 12 2018, @07:03PM

          by frojack (1554) on Saturday May 12 2018, @07:03PM (#678904) Journal

          Oh, do carry on. You are SO making his point for him.

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      • (Score: 3, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday May 12 2018, @05:08PM (3 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday May 12 2018, @05:08PM (#678875) Journal

        Regulatory capture. You know how people like to say "guns don't kill people, people do?" Well s/guns/regulations/ and s/people/businesses/. It really is that simple.

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        • (Score: 2) by frojack on Saturday May 12 2018, @07:34PM (2 children)

          by frojack (1554) on Saturday May 12 2018, @07:34PM (#678915) Journal

          Exactly...

          since the free market is failing to deliver the housing

          ...

          How are government restrictions a failure of a free market?

          ...

          The question was rhetorical. But in a nutshell:

          1) Phoenix666 blames free market for the housing problem, suggests government step in

          2) AC points out that the government ALREADY controls every aspect of building in CA, and therefore Phoenix666's expecting government to fix it has already proven a failed course of action, but in any event, the current situation is not the Free Market's fault because there is no free market in housing, and there hasn't been such for 50 years.

          The housing industry in California is not dying. Its just building what it is allowed to build.

          ALL OF THAT says nothing about the requirement to start requiring solar on houses, because that does NOT increase the cost of housing over the mid term. (For California, the Average savings per year of the average solar installation is $1709.4 ($142.45 per month), Estimated time for the system to pay for itself: 12 years, 4 months). [decisiondata.org]

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          • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Sunday May 13 2018, @05:42AM (1 child)

            by bob_super (1357) on Sunday May 13 2018, @05:42AM (#679102)

            I love how many people are reacting as if a $5k to $10k system was that big of a deal on a new building. As if the law didn't include an exception for really cheap (e.g. mobile) homes.
            Do they realise that we could save buyers a lot of upfront cash by not mandating that houses have electricity, plumbing, HVAC, or insulation, too?

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday May 20 2018, @03:21AM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 20 2018, @03:21AM (#681758) Journal

              I love how many people are reacting as if a $5k to $10k system was that big of a deal on a new building.

              How many times can California mandate the addition of $5 to $10k systems on houses? I bet it's a lot more than once.

  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday May 12 2018, @01:51PM (2 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 12 2018, @01:51PM (#678817) Journal

    Yeah, million dollar McMansions will go up to 1.4 million now. What a shame.

    • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Saturday May 12 2018, @05:00PM (1 child)

      by Whoever (4524) on Saturday May 12 2018, @05:00PM (#678872) Journal

      You don't get a McMansion for $1.4M today.

      A million dollars buys just an average house is large parts of CA. The average price of houses sold in San Jose is close to $1M. Where I live, 2000 sq ft ranch-style houses cost almost $2M.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday May 13 2018, @02:35AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 13 2018, @02:35AM (#679037) Journal

        Ahhh, the cost of having the fifth largest economy in the world, right? Everything is grossly overpriced and overvalued.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 14 2018, @04:59PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 14 2018, @04:59PM (#679641)

    Suppose they incentivize higher density housing, perhaps by adding costs to lower density development, would that help? Like, say, require every building under 4 stories to have solar panels?