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posted by martyb on Friday May 18 2018, @02:09PM   Printer-friendly
from the war-crimes dept.

Democracy Now! reports
Meet Tarek Loubani, the Canadian Doctor Shot by Israeli Forces Monday While Treating Gaza's Wounded (Transcript)

As Palestinians vow to continue protesting against the Israeli occupation of Gaza, we speak to a Canadian doctor who was shot by Israeli forces in both legs Monday [May 14] while he was helping injured Palestinians. Israeli forces shot dead at least 61 unarmed Palestinian protesters taking part in the Great March of Return Monday, including one doctor. Canada, Britain, Germany, Ireland, and Belgium have called for an investigation into the killings. The United Nations Human Rights Council has announced that it will hold a special session Friday to discuss escalating violence in Gaza. We speak with Dr. Tarek Loubani, an emergency room medical doctor, one of 19 medical personnel shot in Gaza on Monday.

Audio and video links at the top of the page.

Pacifica Radio KPFK has a partial audio file, available till mid-July, ~7MB for the story. (KPFK is in fund drive mode.)
Gaza coverage begins at 13:25. The doctor's story is from 15:15 - 31:30.
He notes that the doctor who treated him was subsequently shot, resulting in his death--this, while he was wearing high-visibility clothing to denote his first-responder status.


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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by tangomargarine on Friday May 18 2018, @04:03PM (4 children)

    by tangomargarine (667) on Friday May 18 2018, @04:03PM (#681224)

    Take a step farther back: who asked the Palestinians if they wanted to be partitioned?

    The British did. The Palestinians didn't want a two-state solution, didn't want a one-state solution; they just wanted it all, so here we are.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine#History_of_Palestine_under_the_British_Mandate [wikipedia.org]

    Samuel tried to establish self-governing institutions in Palestine, as required by the mandate, but the Arab leadership refused to co-operate with any institution which included Jewish participation.[13]

    The 1922 Palestine Order in Council[18] established a Legislative Council, which was to consist of 23 members: 12 elected, 10 appointed, and the High Commissioner.[19] Of the 12 elected members, eight were to be Muslim Arabs, two Christian Arabs and two Jews.[20] Arabs protested against the distribution of the seats, arguing that as they constituted 88% of the population, having only 43% of the seats was unfair.[20] Elections took place in February and March 1923, but due to an Arab boycott, the results were annulled and a 12-member Advisory Council was established.[19]

    Does boycotting elections ever actually accomplish anything? Other than ensuring that if they go with the results you get fucked.

    1930s: Arab armed insurgency

    In 1930, Sheikh Izz ad-Din al-Qassam arrived in Palestine from Syria and organised and established the Black Hand, an anti-Zionist and anti-British militant organisation. He recruited and arranged military training for peasants and by 1935 he had enlisted between 200 and 800 men. The cells were equipped with bombs and firearms, which they used to kill Zionist settlers in the area, as well as engaging in a campaign of vandalism of the settlers-planted trees and British constructed rail-lines.[22] In November 1935, two of his men engaged in a firefight with a Palestine police patrol hunting fruit thieves and a policeman was killed. Following the incident, British police launched a manhunt and surrounded al-Qassam in a cave near Ya'bad. In the ensuing battle, al-Qassam was killed.[22]

    The Arab revolt

    Main article: 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine
    The death of al-Qassam on 20 November 1935 generated widespread outrage in the Arab community.

    This is always my favorite part of the story. Dude leads a group that hunts down and murders people, and they get pissed when somebody brings him to justice.

    The attacks on the Jewish population by Arabs had three lasting effects: First, they led to the formation and development of Jewish underground militias, primarily the Haganah, which were to prove decisive in 1948. Secondly, it became clear that the two communities could not be reconciled, and the idea of partition was born. Thirdly, the British responded to Arab opposition with the White Paper of 1939, which severely restricted Jewish land purchase and immigration. However, with the advent of World War II, even this reduced immigration quota was not reached. The White Paper policy also radicalised segments of the Jewish population, who after the war would no longer cooperate with the British.

    Partition proposals

    In 1937, the Peel Commission proposed a partition between a small Jewish state, whose Arab population would have to be transferred, and an Arab state to be attached to Jordan. The proposal was rejected outright by the Arabs. The two main Jewish leaders, Chaim Weizmann and David Ben-Gurion, had convinced the Zionist Congress to approve equivocally the Peel recommendations as a basis for more negotiation.[30][31][32][33][34] In a letter to his son in October 1937, Ben-Gurion explained that partition would be a first step to "possession of the land as a whole".[35][36][37]

    And admittedly the Jewish underground movements were pretty huge assholes too, as they bombed and assassinated the Brits to try to get them to leave.

    On 29 November 1947, the UN General Assembly, voting 33 to 13, with 10 abstentions, adopted a resolution recommending the adoption and implementation of the Plan of Partition with Economic Union as Resolution 181 (II).,[51] while making some adjustments to the boundaries between the two states proposed by it. The division was to take effect on the date of British withdrawal. The partition plan required that the proposed states grant full civil rights to all people within their borders, regardless of race, religion or gender. It is important to note that the UN General Assembly is only granted the power to make recommendations, therefore, UNGAR 181 was not legally binding.[52] Both the U.S. and the Soviet Union supported the resolution. Haiti, Liberia, and the Philippines changed their votes at the last moment after concerted pressure from the U.S. and from Zionist organisations.[53][54][55] The five members of the Arab League, who were voting members at the time, voted against the Plan.

    The Jewish Agency, which was the Jewish state-in-formation, accepted the plan, and nearly all the Jews in Palestine rejoiced at the news.

    The partition plan was rejected out of hand by Palestinian Arab leadership and by most of the Arab population.[qt 1][qt 2] Meeting in Cairo on November and December 1947, the Arab League then adopted a series of resolutions endorsing a military solution to the conflict.

    And when the Brits gradually pulled out obviously everything slid into chaos. At the end of the Mandate the Israelis declared the state of Israel, but they were more or less in the middle of a war already, then the other Arab states invaded and that was the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

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  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 18 2018, @08:50PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 18 2018, @08:50PM (#681384)

    Why shouldn't the Palestinians have the entire area? They were, after all, the people who had been living there for centuries. Over time there have been countless situations where new groups moved into a given region, at a certain point, claiming some sort of historical right to an area becomes nonsensical.

    The Israelis have absolutely no right to exist if their existing involves them engaging in genocide. They regularly murder innocent civilians and seem to have no problem pretending like the terrorist acts targeting them are completely unprovoked when they're using sniper rifles to murder civilians from hundreds of yards away.

    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday May 18 2018, @09:00PM

      by tangomargarine (667) on Friday May 18 2018, @09:00PM (#681393)

      Yes, because the moral of this story is that while the Holocaust is happening and a few hundred thousand Jews are looking for a place to escape to, the Arabs didn't tell them forcefully enough to fuck off.

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    • (Score: 2) by tfried on Saturday May 19 2018, @12:37PM

      by tfried (5534) on Saturday May 19 2018, @12:37PM (#681572)

      Why shouldn't the Palestinians have the entire area?

      Because

      at a certain point, claiming some sort of historical right to an area becomes nonsensical.

      Very obviously, in hindsight the partitioning was a terrible idea (but do realize that this kind of solution was "in fashion" at the time, with whole countries being moved in the aftermath of WWII). But you are not seriously suggesting that it would be a good idea to "just" undo it, three generations later, are you?

  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday May 21 2018, @04:30PM

    by tangomargarine (667) on Monday May 21 2018, @04:30PM (#682249)

    Apparently quoting chunks of Wikipedia verbatim is now trolling? LOL

    What an asshole, explaining history. Fuck that

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