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posted by Fnord666 on Saturday May 19 2018, @06:09PM   Printer-friendly

Veteran spy Gina Haspel will become the first female director of the CIA after six Democrats joined Republicans in a Senate confirmation vote that overrode concerns about her role in the spy agency's harsh interrogation program after 9/11.

Thursday's 54-45 vote split both parties, and the margin was the closest for a CIA nominee in the nearly seven decades that a nod from the Senate has been required. Haspel, who has spent nearly all of her 33-year CIA career in undercover positions, is the first career operations officer to be confirmed since William Colby in 1973.

Haspel, 61, is a native of Kentucky but grew up around the world as the daughter of an Air Force serviceman. She worked in Africa, Europe and classified locations around the globe and was tapped as deputy director of the CIA last year.

Source: Fox News

Also at the New York Times, CNN[warning: autoplay video], and Vox among others.


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by aristarchus on Saturday May 19 2018, @10:31PM (4 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday May 19 2018, @10:31PM (#681687) Journal

    The nongodwinizing difference is that she was just following lawful orders.

    Wrong. Illegal orders. Illegal under the Geneva and Hague conventions, illegal under the Convention Against Torture, illegal under 18 U.S. Code Chapter 113C. Just because some Regent alum "lawyer" says an order is "lawful" does not mean that it in fact is. In fact, it might be part of "lawfare" that the US Military is waging, where the lawyers are actually illegal enemy combatants. Nueremberg principle still apply:

    Principle I

    "Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefore and liable to punishment."
    Principle II

    "The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law."
    Principle III

    "The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law, acted as Head of State or responsible government official, does not relieve him from responsibility under international law."
    Principle IV
    Main article: Superior orders

    "The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him".

    This principle could be paraphrased as follows: "It is not an acceptable excuse to say 'I was just following my superior's orders'".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Principles [wikipedia.org]

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  • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 19 2018, @10:44PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 19 2018, @10:44PM (#681692)

    For example, the Geneva convention protects only the uniformed soldiers of nation-states that ratified the Geneva convention. I don't see ratification by Al Qaeda or the Taliban, and anyway they were not wearing uniforms.

    Given that the United Nations Convention against Torture is ratified by nearly every country, it certainly can't mean what you think it does. I see it has been ratified by Libya, Egypt, China, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Tajikistan, Yemen, Venezuela, Russian Federation, Democratic Republic of the Congo... you know, I'm thinking the treaty must require torture.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 19 2018, @11:36PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 19 2018, @11:36PM (#681706)

      I don't see ratification by Al Qaeda or the Taliban, and anyway they were not wearing uniforms.

      Where's your proof that all of the detainees were even guilty? There was no due process, so they could have just kidnapped anyone and claimed they were terrorists.

      Given that the United Nations Convention against Torture is ratified by nearly every country, it certainly can't mean what you think it does. I see it has been ratified by Libya, Egypt, China, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Tajikistan, Yemen, Venezuela, Russian Federation, Democratic Republic of the Congo... you know, I'm thinking the treaty must require torture.

      That countries violate international law does not mean the law doesn't exist.

      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 20 2018, @01:59AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 20 2018, @01:59AM (#681738)

        Where's your proof that all of the detainees were even guilty? There was no due process, so they could have just kidnapped anyone and claimed they were terrorists.

        That's exactly what happened in more than one case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_CIA_torture [wikipedia.org]

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday May 20 2018, @10:24AM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday May 20 2018, @10:24AM (#681826) Journal

      For example, the Geneva convention protects only the uniformed soldiers of nation-states that ratified the Geneva convention.

      Also not true. Once international law has been ratified by enough states, it becomes "customary International Law", binding upon all, even non-signatories. And combatants are combatants is they identify themselves as such, which means not necessarily a "uniform", but just a signifying mark, such as just an armband, or the open bearing of arms. And the right of non-state political communities to wage wars has been recognized at least since the Protocols Additional of 1970. Speak not of what you know not. You are playing into the neo-cons hands.