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posted by janrinok on Sunday May 27 2018, @11:58PM   Printer-friendly
from the example-to-our-business-leaders dept.

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A former commander of the USS John S. McCain pleaded guilty Friday to dereliction of duty when the destroyer collided with a commercial tanker, killing 10 people and injuring five in the Straits of Singapore last August.

Cmdr. Alfredo Sanchez, who has served in the Navy for more than 20 years, testified during a special court-martial at the Washington Navy Yard, Stars and Stripes reported.

“I am ultimately responsible and stand accountable,” Sanchez said. “I will forever question my decisions that contributed to this tragic event.”

Per disciplinary proceedings, Sanchez agreed to retire from service, forfeit $6,000 in wages, and was issued a letter of reprimand.

Sanchez claimed responsibility for the deadly collision. He said had failed to put a well-rested, well-trained crew in place to steer the destroyer into the Straits.

The former commander, who was immediately reassigned after the collision, initially faced negligent homicide charges, CBS News reported.

According to Sanchez, an 18-year-old undertrained helmsman had been navigating the destroyer, known as "Big Bad John," leading up to the collision.

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/27/former-commander-uss-john-s-mccain-pleads-guilty-retires-after-deadly-collision.html


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Monday May 28 2018, @02:19AM (11 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 28 2018, @02:19AM (#684978) Journal

    Yes, I agree. I can't say what the problem is, but there is a problem. Years ago when I was in, the old salts ribbed and kidded us all the time, telling us about the days of wooden ships, and iron men. And, in turn, I passed some of that along. But, I wonder if there isn't some truth to that. In the old timer's day, there were no computers - everything was done manually. Nothing aboard ship was automated. In my day, computers were on the horizon, and we had some niceties. Today? The Navy is building ships with very small crews, citing automation. Everything is computerized.

    And, yes, the Navy knows that there is a problem. http://gpsworld.com/naval-academy-brings-back-celestial-navigation-courses/ [gpsworld.com] https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/10/22/us-navy-renews-training-in-celestial-navigation-over-gps-hack-fears/ [sophos.com]

    A supply puke, like myself, was never trained in navigation, of course. No one would want to trust me to navigate through a narrow strait. But, even so, I could get an idea where on earth we were if I had to. Today's generation? The worst of the worst can't even navigate with detailed maps printed out for them - they have to have their GPS or they are lost.

    This kind of ignorance, if left unchecked, carries over into all other aspects of shipboard life. A Captain who doesn't ensure that his navigators can find their asses with both hands, probably isn't checking up on the million other details of life at sea.

    My own early days at sea involved Damage Control work. Tedious, monotonous inspections of the gaskets in watertight and airtight doors tripped me up. The executive officer and the Captain were taking a tour of the ship, when they found a gasket that I had signed off on. It wasn't "bad", but it was bad enough to catch their attention. They went through the records, to see who was inspecting those gaskets, and found my name. I had to explain that I was new aboard ship, overworked trying to get all my qualifications, do my daily job, do my watch standing, as well as trying to get all the DC work done. I had to explain that I did actually inspect the gaskets in question, and that I decided some actually had to be replaced, while others were "good enough". Then I had to listen to a lecture that "good enough" just is not "good enough" - all of my gaskets MUST be in top condition.

    Lucky for me, my XO and CO actually put on old work clothes, and personally inspected little details like door gaskets. There was nothing that escaped their notice, because they would actually crawl through the shaft alley, searching for rust, broken bolts, etc. And, they were reasonable men - a guy could screw up a time or two, and only get an ass chewing and a few hours of extra duty.

    Today? Do officers still get down into the nitty gritty details of shipboard life?

    Obviously not. This particular captain apparently didn't know how competent his officer on deck was, or any part of his ship handling crew. The captain had no idea that a less-than-competent helmsman had the helm in restricted waters.

    You said "systemic", and I'm afraid that word is perfectly apt.

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  • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 28 2018, @02:31AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 28 2018, @02:31AM (#684979)

    Ah yes, the grand old days of sail. No computers to distract you from the bad food, brutal discipline, and lack of women. Absolutely perfect for an old gay faggot like Runaway.

  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday May 28 2018, @02:32AM

    by Gaaark (41) on Monday May 28 2018, @02:32AM (#684980) Journal

    I read about how they just recently started teaching navigation by the heavens again and thought "why the hell would they stop?"

    I'd want my crew to be able to navigate through a BSOD if needed.

    Good on them for going back to basics (bad on them for needing some embarrassing episodes to push them there)

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 28 2018, @03:26AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 28 2018, @03:26AM (#684991)

    A reasonable choice is to ask when navigation is useful, and then ensure it can be performed under those situations. Navigation is needed for movement and for radioing for help.

    Given that you can move or operate a radio, you should have power. You can't assume that every computer and antenna is in working condition. You can't assume that satellites still exist. All radio signals could be spoofed.

    You can thus use a computer, a clock, the sky, gravity, the Earth's magnetic field, underwater features, and all the data tables you'd like. You'll need some redundancy; whole compartments may be flooded or burning.

    For the sky, you'll want some imagers that are fixed to the ship. At least one should have a polarizer so that you can track the sun when the sky is overcast. At least one should have a color filter so that you can track bright stars during the day.

    For the magnetic field, you'll want something that can be deployed away from the ship. Dangling a probe into the water is one option. Flying a kite is another option. You need to get that probe away from the ship's metal.

    For underwater features, you'll want active sonar. Dropping a probe will sometimes work, to a limited extent.

    Ships with nice big phased-array radar sets (ought to be on everything large) should also be able to track natural radio sources in the sky. Some of these can be tracked through cloud cover.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday May 28 2018, @06:30AM (4 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 28 2018, @06:30AM (#685026) Journal

      You'll need some redundancy; whole compartments may be flooded or burning.

      That is exactly what we seem to have forgotten in the military today. Ships don't have just one weapons system - they have several, because A: sometimes one weapons system is unsuitable for the purpose and B: upon contact with the enemy, you can expect to lose a weapon and/or a system. Ships don't have just one gun within the gunnery system - most have two or more main guns, with some kind of backup gun. Ships don't have just one fire main pump, because a pump can be damaged or destroyed, just when you need it most. There isn't just one boiler, or even just one boiler room - there are two boiler rooms, with two boilers in each room.

      Ditto with communications gear - repetitive redundancy is a requirement.

      Even people! The Fletcher class destroyers were famous and/or notorious for requiring a couple hundred people to operate the ship during peacetime, but often carried close to 500 men during wartime. Tacticians and strategists alike knew that you lose men when you meet the enemy, so the Fletcher's carried almost twice as many men as necessary.

      Navigation is no different. A system goes down, use another system. In this case, as long as trained men remain alive, they can look at the sky, and at least guesstimate where they are. A few simple tools enables those trained men to determine their position pretty precisely, even when there is no electricity flowing anywhere on the ship.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 28 2018, @07:06AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 28 2018, @07:06AM (#685034)

        That is exactly what we seem to have forgotten in the military today.

        From a guy who has been out for decades? Your lack of Security Clearance is betraying you, Russian spy!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 28 2018, @06:09PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 28 2018, @06:09PM (#685250)

        If there is no electricity, then that means no radio and no movement. Navigation is pointless.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday May 28 2018, @11:29PM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 28 2018, @11:29PM (#685341) Journal

          You are mistaken. The Captain's gig, the whaleboat, and the life rafts can all move. The navigator still needs to be able to tell them which way to move.

          I've forgotten the proper form of the abandon ship message. Something like, "the nearest land bears 260 degrees magnetic north, at 58 nautical miles, the nearest FRIENDLY land bears 230 degrees magnetic north at 275 nautical miles". I don't have it exactly right, but it's close enough to get the idea. The announcement goes on to note the sea conditions, wind speed and direction, and the water current.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 29 2018, @03:38AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 29 2018, @03:38AM (#685433)

            Anything that moves in a non-trivial manner can provide electricity for navigational equipment.

            If you're just paddling, the only navigation you need is to point at a visible rescue ship or island. The energy you'd spend on serious paddling will cause you to use up your supplies of food and water. Humans who paddle across the ocean are right up there with arctic explorers, ultramarathon runners, and Everest climbers.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 28 2018, @07:03AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 28 2018, @07:03AM (#685033)

    A supply puke, like myself, was never trained in navigation, of course.

    Ah, explains your basic Republican disorientation, and tacit support for Trump, the draft dodger who went to a "Military Academy" because his father caught him with a switchblade. So, Runaway1956, how about you just shut the fuck up about things you do not understand, and some of us may entertain the fantasy that you actually served someone, once? Deal?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 28 2018, @04:51PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 28 2018, @04:51PM (#685207)

      The switchblade story is a lie. He was caught smacking his monkey while watching two dogs fucking.

  • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 28 2018, @07:43AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 28 2018, @07:43AM (#685045)

    As someone who has lived and breathed tech for almost 40 years of life, I can tell you that I have also come to the conclusion there are some places it simply shouldn't be placed at this time, and given the compromises being made in its engineering and implementation, perhaps ever (short of a major shift in who is running the companies producing it.)

    Cars without at minimum failover/overriddable manually controlled steering, brakes, throttle, etc? No way. Planes and ships with completely electronic drive/fly by wire systems with no manual failsafes? *HELL NO* The former are more risky on a day to day basis to a small group of people, but the latter have the potential to kill hundreds to thousands in a single even, even if odds of that event are far smaller on average compared to the car. I hold similiar reservations about softswitches on computer hardware, especially devices with microphones, cameras, and other personally identifiable metadata, although that is more about asymmetric information warfare than immediate safety concerns like badly implemented electronic interfaces and failsafes on multi-ton to hundreds of ton vehicles exhibit. Mankind is providing its collective immaturity in the safe usage of semi and autonomous electronics technology in places where human or physical failsafes are not already engineered into place. And as most of these examples prove, the human element failsafe is unreliable not because of the individuals who fail, but because of the management, lack of training for all possible conditions, and underengineering that result from the true perpetraitors not being held to task for their systemic shortcomings. Start at the top before you blame the bottom. This commander deserves his career ending blow, but so do all the other personnel both within and without the service who helped produce the failure conditions which caused this collision. And there are a lot more of them than one commander.