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posted by janrinok on Monday May 28 2018, @02:03AM   Printer-friendly
from the not-happy dept.

School Shooting Game Angers Steam Users, Developer 'Likely' Changing It

Earlier this week, a game called Active Shooter appeared on Steam. It'd be nothing more than another heap of hacked-together pre-purchased assets—or an "asset flip," as they're known on Steam—if not for its subject matter. It's about mass shootings.

The unreleased game's Steam store page describes it as a "dynamic S.W.A.T. simulator" in which you play as a shooter, a S.W.A.T. team member trying to neutralize them, or a civilian. Its trailer depicts a player running down school halls and through classrooms, indiscriminately murdering teachers until a S.W.A.T. team shows up.

Complaints about the game have been fierce, and yesterday the person behind the game said they'll probably remove the option to play as the mass shooter. Almost as soon as the game's store listing went up, Steam users took to the game's forums to voice their distaste.

The developer will send "press review" copies out on May 30.

The Hill mistakenly claimed that Active Shooter is "created by video game company Valve" (they have since corrected their article).

Recently, Valve made headlines when it demanded that developers remove "pornographic content" from visual novel games. Some developers/publishers have since received apologies and their games are under re-review.


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by unauthorized on Monday May 28 2018, @10:26AM (3 children)

    by unauthorized (3776) on Monday May 28 2018, @10:26AM (#685079)

    Ethics is completely orthogonal to economics. Communists and feudalists can have ethics just as readily as capitalists. Indeed, you don't necessarily need an economy to have an ethical framework, even in a society of truly self-sufficient people it is possible to have ethical standards. Likewise, a perfectly functional economy regardless of it's fundamental model has absolutely no need for ethics and can go just fine without them.

    What you are asking me to do is nonsensical. There is no logical basis to define ethics in terms of capitalism, at least no more than defining it in any other arbitrarily chosen ideology.

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  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday May 28 2018, @11:23AM (2 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 28 2018, @11:23AM (#685089) Journal

    Ethics is completely orthogonal to economics.

    The philosopher-on-duty is unfortunately absorbed by the obsession with alt-right, no interests of his "Ethics - a treaty on a blog" opus

    Indeed, you don't necessarily need an economy to have an ethical framework, even in a society of truly self-sufficient people it is possible to have ethical standards.

    Let's take the "economy of scientific publications" - plagiarism (e.g. theft) happens even if the scientists should be self-sufficient.

    Likewise, a perfectly functional economy regardless of it's fundamental model has absolutely no need for ethics and can go just fine without them.

    Heh. Show me a perfect functional economy without a base on trust (and I'll show you a terrible efficiency economy. Like the one proposed by our resident "Violently Imposed Monopoly - replace it by contacts" resident). Maybe you'll... mmm... trust more Bruce Schneier on Trust [schneier.com]?

    Trust - how do you build that without ethics?

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    • (Score: 2) by unauthorized on Monday May 28 2018, @04:15PM (1 child)

      by unauthorized (3776) on Monday May 28 2018, @04:15PM (#685180)

      Let's take the "economy of scientific publications" - plagiarism (e.g. theft) happens even if the scientists should be self-sufficient.

      Hypothetically, you can take a number of people, force them to live in their own segregated areas through fancy-shmancy techno-magical brain implants which prevent any form of cooperation or willing transfer of anything economically valuable, and these people will still develop a certain set of ethical standards (eg not murdering, stealing, trespassing and so on).

      Ethics is inevitable in any complex society - the threat of violence upon transgression can only take you so far. Other primates, dolphins, whales, elephants and other species with complex societies also have them, even if theirs are cruder and closer to their biologically wired imperatives than ours, and yet only humans have such a thing as economies.

      Indeed, there are human societies today which still live as tribal hunter-gatherers and yet they too have ethical standards.

      Heh. Show me a perfect functional economy without a base on trust (and I'll show you a terrible efficiency economy.

      Slavery. It's very efficient, and there is certainly no reason for trust on either side.

      Trust - how do you build that without ethics?

      Same way your dog does - habit. We are hardwired to come to trust things as we become accustomed to them, even to our deterrent (ergo drunk driving and poor data backup hygiene).

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday May 28 2018, @04:38PM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 28 2018, @04:38PM (#685193) Journal

        Slavery. It's very efficient, and there is certainly no reason for trust on either side.

        Trust - perhaps if only there's a single owner and all the rest are slaves. Because otherwise the matter of trust persists between the slave owners.

        Efficiency - if it's very efficient, why did the civilized humanity got out of it?

        "Ethics is completely orthogonal to economics" is bullshit - as any grossly simplified model of reality - and you know it.
        Don't dig your heels in a futile attempt to win the debate, I'm not interested in debating any further.
        Do yourself a flavor and think a bit about before declaring that ethics and economic relations between humans are totally independent dimensions - this what orthogonal means, the projection of one onto the other is zero

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