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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday May 29 2018, @01:33AM   Printer-friendly
from the then-again-what-can? dept.

The hysteria about the future of artificial intelligence (AI) is everywhere. There seems to be no shortage of sensationalist news about how AI could cure diseases, accelerate human innovation and improve human creativity. Just looking at the media headlines, you might think that we are already living in a future where AI has infiltrated every aspect of society.

While it is undeniable that AI has opened up a wealth of promising opportunities, it has also led to the emergence of a mindset that can be best described as "AI solutionism". This is the philosophy that, given enough data, machine learning algorithms can solve all of humanity's problems.

But there's a big problem with this idea. Instead of supporting AI progress, it actually jeopardises the value of machine intelligence by disregarding important AI safety principles and setting unrealistic expectations about what AI can really do for humanity.

In only a few years, the pendulum has swung from the dystopian notion that AI will destroy humanity to the utopian belief that our algorithmic saviour is here.

[...] Examples demonstrate that there is no AI solution for everything. Using AI simply for the sake of AI may not always be productive or useful. Not every problem is best addressed by applying machine intelligence to it. This is the crucial lesson for everyone aiming to boost investments in national AI programmes: all solutions come with a cost and not everything that can be automated should be.

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What is your take on this? Do you think AI (as currently defined), can solve any of the problems, man-made and otherwise, of this world?


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  • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Tuesday May 29 2018, @05:38PM (6 children)

    by acid andy (1683) on Tuesday May 29 2018, @05:38PM (#685741) Homepage Journal

    Example...say the solution is "no one can have more than $100,000 in total assets, and the world will be 'its best'.

    If that's the solution, drop the problem and find a better one.

    Funny; I was thinking almost exactly the same thing but about the sexual relations example instead. If it specified procreation instead, then fine.

    The $100,000 one didn't sound like such a bad idea, if there was a way to index link it to the Earth's resources (all elements and organisms, not just gold).

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday May 29 2018, @10:20PM (5 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 29 2018, @10:20PM (#685951) Journal

    The $100,000 one didn't sound like such a bad idea, if there was a way to index link it to the Earth's resources (all elements and organisms, not just gold).

    So you want to incentivize humanity to take the Earth completely apart for its resources? Because there's a vast difference in that number between an intact Earth and one where the resources of Earth have been to the last pebble distributed to an entire Solar System civilization.

    And if no one is allowed to have more than $100k, then where's the incentive to grow the pie? To the contrary, there is no use for such a constraint. We are not wealthier or better off because Bill Gates is worth $100k instead of $100 billion. And without massive incentives to make the world better in massive ways, who is left to do this stuff. You've just pushed a bunch of power into the lap of government without any corresponding increase in how much they'll care.

    • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Wednesday May 30 2018, @02:04AM (4 children)

      by acid andy (1683) on Wednesday May 30 2018, @02:04AM (#686042) Homepage Journal

      So you want to incentivize humanity to take the Earth completely apart for its resources? Because there's a vast difference in that number between an intact Earth and one where the resources of Earth have been to the last pebble distributed to an entire Solar System civilization.

      Yeah, I did worry a bit about a gold rush for every resource, but the idea was to set the wealth cap at a low enough level that it actually limits how much of the Earth's resources can be plundered, rather than accelerating their extraction.

      And if no one is allowed to have more than $100k, then where's the incentive to grow the pie? To the contrary, there is no use for such a constraint. We are not wealthier or better off because Bill Gates is worth $100k instead of $100 billion. And without massive incentives to make the world better in massive ways, who is left to do this stuff. You've just pushed a bunch of power into the lap of government without any corresponding increase in how much they'll care.

      It certainly looks like it would have some problems. Presumably Bill would have to start spending his wealth before he was allowed to earn anymore. The trouble is, he'd only be allowed to spend it on people that hadn't yet got their full $100k, if there were any left. Hmm, if they weren't, how could anyone purchase anything? They could have children in order to palm some of the money off to them. Ah but Gaark's AI said that wasn't allowed!

      Hey, Gaark, what happens when everyone on the planet has $100k in assets? Are they allowed to burn the assets? I suppose it would be more logical to burn assets of the person you want to purchase from, rather than your own. Yeah, this system would cause a global crime epidemic. People could always trade assets of equal value, but no-one would be allowed to make a cent of profit once they were at the cap.

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      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Wednesday May 30 2018, @04:10AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 30 2018, @04:10AM (#686083) Journal

        but the idea was to set the wealth cap at a low enough level that it actually limits how much of the Earth's resources can be plundered, rather than accelerating their extraction.

        What exactly is wrong with plundering resources? They're not doing anyone any good sitting in the ground. And the vast majority are so plentiful and easy to come by (even with that environmental footprint) that it doesn't make sense to keep it in the ground. Finally, we have over seven billion people to care for and improve the lives of. Artificial restrictions on resource consumption run contrary to what has worked amazingly well so far.

        Let's look at that argument in more detail. First, resource extraction just isn't that bad environmentally outside of agriculture. The environmental destruction can be quite severe, but it's just that area that is affected. And we've developed a bunch of technologies and strategies for limiting our impact of resource extraction.

        The real pollution problems happen after its dug out of the ground. But even that is manageable. It's a solved problem in the developed world.

        And what's the point of saving in the ground merely so that another generation can also save it in the ground so that another generation can... At some point, resources have to come up in order for them to have value to us. It is merely a matter of whether it's better to mine them as soon as convenient or let them wait for a future generation. Here, the obvious thing is that our technologies of extraction, recycling, and such improves over time. So future generations won't have the same resource headaches we do now. So why coddle them?

        Agriculture is a bit different, but it has the virtue of being heavily renewable. With sparing use of natural gas-based fertilizers, one should be able to get it to keep going for another century. By then we'll probably have long closed the gap in renewable nitrogen and perhaps figured out how to recycle phosphorus and other macronutrients as well (depends on whether we need to, of course).

        Moving on, why the obsession with resources anyway? They're not that scarce and their exploitation doesn't cause that much in the way of trouble (particularly in the developed world). Meanwhile we're doing amazing things with those resources, such as elevating the entirety of humanity out of poverty and developing a global, high tech society. Don't we have better things to do with our time?

      • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday May 30 2018, @02:12PM (2 children)

        by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday May 30 2018, @02:12PM (#686271) Journal

        See my other response about the example being pulled out of my dogs ass: the example has no real relevance to.... anything.

        Just a silly example.

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        • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Wednesday May 30 2018, @03:35PM (1 child)

          by acid andy (1683) on Wednesday May 30 2018, @03:35PM (#686309) Homepage Journal

          Sorry for spelling your name wrong, by the way. The "a"s just seemed to blur together. My eyesight probably isn't what it once was. I guess Copy & Paste is my friend in these circumstances. ;)

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          • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday May 30 2018, @03:57PM

            by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday May 30 2018, @03:57PM (#686314) Journal

            Just don't call me late for supper.
            ;)

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