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posted by janrinok on Tuesday May 29 2018, @12:54PM   Printer-friendly
from the again dept.

A man has shot dead two police officers and a civilian in the eastern Belgian city of Liège.

The gunman took a female cleaner hostage at a school before being killed by police. Two other police officers were also injured.

The man's motive is not yet clear but the incident is being treated as terrorism.

Police sources quoted in local media said the man was heard shouting "Allahu Akbar" ("God is greatest" in Arabic).

Belgian broadcaster RTBF said the gunman was let out from prison on temporary release on Monday where he had been serving time on drug offenses. It said that he may have been radicalised while in jail.

The shooting unfolded late morning on Tuesday near a cafe in the city centre.

Update: 16:56 UTC

More recent reporting states:

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/29/europe/liege-shooting-intl/index.html

The incident occurred at around 10:30 a.m. when an assailant stabbed two policewomen from behind, before stealing their service weapons and using them on the officers, Liege Prosecutor Philippe Dulieu said at a news conference on Tuesday.

After killing the two officers, the attacker continued walking through the street and opened fire on a parked vehicle, fatally wounding the driver inside, Dulieu added.

https://news.sky.com/story/belgian-police-launch-terror-probe-after-shooting-of-police-and-bystander-11388883

The gunman also killed a 22-year-old male car passenger on the Boulevard d'Avory, before taking a female cleaner hostage at a nearby high school.

She was released when police shot dead the attacker, who has been named by local media as Belgian national Benjamin Herman.

See also, thanks to C0lo:


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  • (Score: 0, Troll) by bradley13 on Tuesday May 29 2018, @01:30PM (20 children)

    by bradley13 (3053) on Tuesday May 29 2018, @01:30PM (#685578) Homepage Journal

    Yep, they are so grateful for being allowed into Europe.

    Seriously, invite thousands of barbarians, from barbaric cultures, into their country. WTF do people expect? Actually civilizing people takes generations. This is "magic dirt" theory at its best.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Tuesday May 29 2018, @01:37PM

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 29 2018, @01:37PM (#685584) Journal

    Yep, they are so grateful for being allowed into Europe.

    Especially those arriving in Europe carried by storks about 36 years ago, right?

    The dead shooter, 36, was named locally as Benjamin Herman, from Rochefort, a city about an hour from Liege. He was well-known to police after a string of crimes including robbery, assault and drug-dealing.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by janrinok on Tuesday May 29 2018, @01:50PM (15 children)

    by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 29 2018, @01:50PM (#685594) Journal

    Are they barbarians because of the race, religion or nationality? There are millions of humans, Muslims and Asians who are just like you and I.

    No matter, because your prejudice is irrelevant: he was a Belgian who was born there. I suppose you ought now to add 'Belgians' to your list of undesirable people.

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday May 29 2018, @01:55PM (7 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 29 2018, @01:55PM (#685598) Journal

      No matter, because your prejudice is irrelevant: he was a Belgian who was born there.

      Your fault, J.
      This information needed to be in TFS, not in the comments!!!

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      • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday May 29 2018, @02:11PM (5 children)

        by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 29 2018, @02:11PM (#685607) Journal

        It wasn't known when the story was released - it has only become public since.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday May 29 2018, @02:51PM (4 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 29 2018, @02:51PM (#685634) Journal

          But you know it now, aren't you?
          Would you mind to amend TFS with the new knowledge?

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          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by FatPhil on Tuesday May 29 2018, @04:57PM (3 children)

            by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday May 29 2018, @04:57PM (#685715) Homepage
            No.

            Let the idiotic bigots who jump to conclusions without facts *out themselves*, and then look stupid in the harsh light of day.

            Those who stand up and say "OK, you got me, I'm racist" at least will have the smallest iota of my respect for their honesty.

            Radicalisation in prisons works on those with the weakest minds (but not particularly at the hands of those with the weakest minds, the concept of officers and grunts is just as valid in non-conventional warfare as it is in the more gentlemanly mass murder that we partake in), and there's little evidence that those of a western european strain have managed to evolve free of that trait. (Where 'little' means 'no'.)
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            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 29 2018, @06:30PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 29 2018, @06:30PM (#685781)

              It doesn't matter. The native losers are being used by the Islamists who shouldn't even be in country. White people have a right to exist without being murdered or bred out of existence by other races. It's fat, brain washed sacks of shit like you that let it happen.

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 29 2018, @07:42PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 29 2018, @07:42PM (#685821)

                Fuck you and your kind. Fucking waste of skin.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 30 2018, @12:24AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 30 2018, @12:24AM (#686014)

                White people have a right to exist without being murdered or bred out of existence by other races.

                This is incorrect. There is no such right. And there is no such race. White people do not exist! Any more than Belgium [zapatopi.net]. Goddamn kin-murdering Frisians! Beowulf would kick your ass.

      • (Score: 3, Touché) by pe1rxq on Tuesday May 29 2018, @03:35PM

        by pe1rxq (844) on Tuesday May 29 2018, @03:35PM (#685660) Homepage

        Do you really want all the false assumptions bigots may make on the frontpage?
        That will be one huge summary....

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 29 2018, @02:14PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 29 2018, @02:14PM (#685609)

      I suppose you ought now to add 'Belgians' to your list of undesirable people.

      Well, nobody was going to say, but... /me ducks

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by requerdanos on Tuesday May 29 2018, @04:31PM

      by requerdanos (5997) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 29 2018, @04:31PM (#685702) Journal

      Are they barbarians because of the race, religion or nationality? There are millions of humans, Muslims and Asians who are just like you and I. No matter, because your prejudice is irrelevant

      If you are looking for physical appearance, belief in the divine of one flavor or another, or nation of birth to detect whether someone is a barbarian, you will, of course, get mostly noise, and very little signal. That would be prejudice, judging before evidence is known with which to do so.

      If you, on the other hand, look to those who commit multiple murder, observe, nod, and record the fact that they are barbarians, you are simply observing reality.

      Interestingly, there is a middle ground. Areas that are rife with violent crime do in fact tend to export people who are more barbarian and less civilized, whether it's Muslim villages who burn their Christians and infidels alive, or gang-riddled U.S. inner cities, or tribes of cannibals.

      If--I say if, this barbarian didn't--someone should come from such an area, a wait-and-see attitude is probably healthier than just assuming they are a nice, good person who left the craziness, instead of part of the craziness looking to expand in other areas.

      Thus, a prejudiced bigot would likely be right much of the time for the wrong reason, and your enlightened tolerance would likewise be wrong much of the time because it's often simply favorable prejudice, which has its own dangers.

      This isn't a criticism of you--a caution, perhaps. It's okay to point out that being a prejudiced bigot is wrong while still recognizing the evidence-based case that like frequently breeds like.

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 29 2018, @05:09PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 29 2018, @05:09PM (#685723)

      If this deadly mind-virus has infected Belgians, then they are as undesirable as people with ebola.

      It's nothing personal. You're just too damn hazardous for civilization.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by JustNiz on Tuesday May 29 2018, @07:25PM

      by JustNiz (1573) on Tuesday May 29 2018, @07:25PM (#685813)

      Hint: Islam isn't a race or a nationality.
      Until every person on the planet has enough basic common sense/education to not believe in man-made imaginary sky fairies that command their followers to kill others, this will always be a thing.
      I'm not holding my breath.

    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday May 29 2018, @07:54PM

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday May 29 2018, @07:54PM (#685830) Journal

      Add? Belgians have always been on my list of undesirable people.

      Frickin' Belgians.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 29 2018, @08:20PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 29 2018, @08:20PM (#685843)

      Fricking Belgians!
                      Signed: Dr. Evil

      [True fact: Belgians sell little chocolate arms cut off of Congolese, in celebration of their colonial greatness. That and Goldmember.]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 30 2018, @08:11AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 30 2018, @08:11AM (#686160)

      I suppose you ought now to add 'Belgians' to your list of undesirable people.

      I thought they have been on the list since the beginning of time.

      Why else did we name them after the worst insult ever?

  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday May 29 2018, @08:03PM (2 children)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday May 29 2018, @08:03PM (#685833) Journal

    Barbarians from barbaric cultures?

    Actually, those people invented civilization. They were civilized when Europeans were scratching their fleas amid filth. Before even Rome ever had its roads the Persian Empire already had highways.

    Now, do Europeans want to invite an Islamic population into their midst, among whom are many who are apt to commit acts of religious-inspired terrorism or will generally subvert hard-won liberties for women and other demographics who have long gotten the short end of the stick? That's a different question.

    Calling them uncivilized barbarians is unjust, though, and gets it almost entirely backward, historically speaking.

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    • (Score: 1) by tftp on Tuesday May 29 2018, @10:51PM (1 child)

      by tftp (806) on Tuesday May 29 2018, @10:51PM (#685974) Homepage

      Actually, those people invented civilization. They were civilized when Europeans were scratching their fleas amid filth. Before even Rome ever had its roads the Persian Empire already had highways.

      Rome fell in 395 AD, well before Islam was created in 7th century. Persians that you mention were likely Zoroastrians. The science of the Middle East continued several centuries after the area became Muslim and died out afterwards [theguardian.com].

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday May 30 2018, @10:52AM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday May 30 2018, @10:52AM (#686214) Journal

        You do know people inhabited the Middle East long before Islam, right? They were building cities like Sumer and Babylon, and thus, literally becoming civilized, long, long before Europeans had notions of anything of the sort. The Achaemenid Persians built highways long before the Romans. The pontoon bridge Julius Caesar built to cross the Rhine, so celebrated by Western historians, was actually preceded long before that by the pontoon bridge Xerxes built to cross the Hellespont during his invasion of Greece. Not too shabby for a bunch of barbarians, right?

        So the religion they espoused is not really a factor. They were civilized by all the measures by which we judge such things--art, architecture, organization, science, agriculture.

        Even if your premise is that Islam renders people uncivilized, that too does not stand up to even passing scrutiny. After Rome fell and Europe descended into the Dark Ages, it was Islam that preserved and expanded upon the knowledge of the ancient world. "Algebra" was an Islamic invention, and would count as a significant contribution to civilization in anyone's book. In fact, up until WWI an Islamic Empire, the Ottomans, were still reckoned as one of the world powers and as modern and civilized as anyone else.

        Again, do Christians want an influx of a bunch of Muslims who might erode their cultural traditions and secular freedoms is a different question, but it cannot be in any way claimed or said that people from the Middle East are uncivilized barbarians.

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