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posted by janrinok on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:31AM   Printer-friendly
from the was-not-expecting-that dept.

White Americans' fear of losing their socioeconomic standing in the face of demographic change may be driving opposition to welfare programs, even though whites are major beneficiaries of government poverty assistance, according to new research from the University of California, Berkeley, and Stanford University.

While social scientists have long posited that racial resentment fuels opposition to such anti-poverty programs as food stamps, Medicaid and Temporary Aid to Needy Families, this is the first study to show the correlation experimentally, demonstrating a causal relationship between attitudes to welfare and threatened racial status.

"With policymakers proposing cuts to the social safety net, it's important to understand the dynamics that drive the welfare backlash," said study lead author Rachel Wetts, a Ph.D. student in sociology at UC Berkeley. "This research suggests that when whites fear their status is on the decline, they increase opposition to programs intended to benefit poorer members of all racial groups."

The findings, to be published May 30 in the journal Social Forces, highlight a welfare backlash that swelled around the 2008 Great Recession and election of Barack Obama.

Notably, the study found anti-welfare sentiment to be selective insofar as threats to whites' standing led whites to oppose government assistance programs they believed largely benefit minorities, while not affecting their views of programs they thought were more likely to advantage whites.

"Our findings suggest that these threats lead whites to oppose programs they perceive as primarily benefiting racial minorities," said study senior author Robb Willer, a professor of sociology and social psychology at Stanford University.

[...] "Overall, these results suggest whites' perceptions of rising minority power and influence lead them to oppose welfare programs," Wetts said.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by jmorris on Saturday June 02 2018, @07:06AM (15 children)

    by jmorris (4844) on Saturday June 02 2018, @07:06AM (#687602)

    Math bitches, learn it, love it, live it.

    Budgetary impact differs by race, and it isn't minor.

    Over their lifetime the AVERAGE White person contributes a net $220,805 to the public coffers. Meanwhile the AVERAGE Hispanic takes $588,219 and the AVERAGE Black $751,200. Remember, these are averages. And we are told, gloatingly, by "our betters" that White people are being exterminated, rendered obsolete, soon to be a minority in what was once their own land. Some of us are smart enough to see who is about to get f*cked by math. Basically we are already paying "reparations" and it is about to get really harsh. Then when the gibs run out we will be outnumbered by people too f*cking dumb to realize Whitey simply ain't got no mo gibs for them. Or we stop this insanity now, while we still can survive it.

    And since some moron will demand it, you can read the backing stats in full sperg detail by starting at The Cost of Black America [blogspot.com] and following through to his source.

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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday June 02 2018, @09:04AM (9 children)

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday June 02 2018, @09:04AM (#687622) Homepage

    I don't believe that Blacks are to blame. I do believe that outsider meddling is, though. And by "outsiders" I mean The Jews.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday June 02 2018, @10:27AM

      s/Jews/Regressives/

      --
      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Saturday June 02 2018, @01:53PM (4 children)

      by VLM (445) on Saturday June 02 2018, @01:53PM (#687668)

      The belief thing is odd, because this is a golden era of find a public supporter of the status quo, look up their wikipedia page, oh what a surprise "Personal Life" section lists which synagogue they attend, rinse and repeat.

      Its only belief in the sense of colloquially I believe in gravity, but that doesn't mean there's any serious scientific opposition, much like the theory of gravity or evolution or whatever.

      With obvious population correction factors such that X% would naturally randomly be whatever or not.

      What we really need is affirmative action in journalism, immigration policy wonks, Democratic party political leadership, etc.

      • (Score: 1, Troll) by jmorris on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:32PM (3 children)

        by jmorris (4844) on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:32PM (#687755)

        Get on gab or look on the chans. It is a meme game to find some moron making anti-white statements, hating their "Whiteness" or lecturing "My Fellow White People", search their timeline for evidence of their Jewishness, post a composite image of both and "Every. Fucking. Time." beneath it. Bonus points if they have the blue check.

        • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @07:39PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @07:39PM (#687792)

          Oh, dear, jmorris! I fear your Nana is spinning in her grave, if she knows her least favorite grandson has become anti-semantic.

          (An aside: why would anyone go onto gab? It is a den of scum and villiany, after all.)

    • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:26PM (1 child)

      by jmorris (4844) on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:26PM (#687751)

      Yea, but had I written (((our betters))) the entire thread would have been hijacked. Just going around shouting "Its the Jews!" doesn't work. They have built every Crime Stop mental defense into us to prevent going "there." You can show people the dots but they have to eventually connect them themselves, they have to actually swallow the Red Pill. Only then can you say, "Welcome to the real world, Brother." And then it on you to advise them to not just go around saying shit like "Fuck it, Nazi time!" because it is doesn't help. So many newly awakened people go a bit zany and it turns people off to the point they can't awaken others.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @11:17PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @11:17PM (#687839)

        Yea, but had I written (((our betters))) the entire thread would have been hijacked. Just going around shouting "Its the Jews!" doesn't work. They have built every Crime Stop mental defense into us to prevent going "there." You can show people the dots but they have to eventually connect them themselves, they have to actually swallow the Red Pill. Only then can you say, "Welcome to the real world, Brother." And then it on you to advise them to not just go around saying shit like "Fuck it, Nazi time!" because it is doesn't help. So many newly awakened people go a bit zany and it turns people off to the point they can't awaken others.

        And so you figured it out. Fat lot of good it will do you. We here at the International Jewish Conspiracy (IJC) just laugh at people like you. We control everything. The media, the police, the government, the taco trucks, the farms, the cities and all the people.

        If I chose, I could go to your house (whether you were there or not) and fuck your wife and daughters and all you could do is thank me for sharing my superior sperm. Because we *own* you.

        We at the IJC don't care if you rant and rave about it, because there's nothing you can do to change it.

                Who controls the British crown?
                Who keeps the metric system down?
                We do, we do!

                Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?
                Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
                We do, we do!

                Who holds back the electric car?
                Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
                We do, we do!

                Who robs cavefish of their sight?
                Who rigs every Oscar night?
                We do!
                We do!

        Suckers!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:48PM (#687762)

      Stupid is as stupid says.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Saturday June 02 2018, @01:46PM

    by digitalaudiorock (688) on Saturday June 02 2018, @01:46PM (#687666) Journal

    This is +5 Insightful? He's basically just said that the majority of rich people are white. Talk about self-fulfilling prophecies.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Bobs on Saturday June 02 2018, @02:37PM

    by Bobs (1462) on Saturday June 02 2018, @02:37PM (#687685)

    I looked the site’s numbers. There is a lot of vagueness and lack of detail about the sources of the data and how the calculations are made. ( Talking about the single data source cited by the article above: http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/11/fiscal-impact-of-whites-blacks-and-hispanics/ [thealternativehypothesis.org]

    If the numbers are true and accurate then he ought to be able to provide links to the source data and show his work on how the calculations were performed. Since the underlying detail is missing, I doubt the stated results.

    Hard to argue against vague claims without spending a bunch of time trying to replicate his results first, but here is a few problems I see:

    • You change this and say rich people pay most of the taxes, and most rich people are white, and many / most poor people are a net negative in terms of tax revenues. Or, more simply: The Federal Government loses $ on poor people of all races.
    • People have more value than just $, and people add economic benefit that isn’t always reflected in tax dollars.
    • We aim to tax good things less, bad things more. So lower Federal taxes does not necessarily indicate less worth. Example: Ask Donald Trump.
    • if/when poor people move up the wealth scale and pay more taxes - this analysis ignores that the same people pay more over time as they move up the income scale.
    • There is ambiguity about if/how taxes and spending from State/Local are factored in:
      • looks like May include some dollars collected by state and local, but summary says ‘Federal’
      • May/may not include $ paid by Sales tax. If so, that needs to be credited to non-wealthy using a different allocation method.
    • Looks like payroll taxes are not credited / need adjustment
    • More generally, if you ran a similar method in 1860, it would show blacks contributing nothing to taxes, yet their uncompensated labor was the foundation of the economy for multiple states. (If Fed income tax existed)
    • Then if you ran the same analysis in 1890 or 1920 it would show blacks as too poor to contribute to Federal taxes, but their under-compensated labor was still a pillar of the economy of multiple states.
    • There is a lot of inertia in going from poor and oppressed to equal opportunity. Separate but equal was still legal up until about 50 years ago.
    • If you ran a similar, flawed analysis using gender instead of race it would show females are a net drag on the economy and we would be better off if we eliminated females

    Given the obvious problems with the methodology, the lack of supporting detail, I call bunk on this.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:02PM (2 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:02PM (#687738) Journal

    Clicked the link. Didn't much like what I saw. I'm asking myself, "Is this a Stormfront site?" But I clicked through, and read the methodology. At first glance, they appear to have their shit together. I suppose that I could duplicate his methods, to see if he's pulling numbers out of his ass. Looks like a lot of work, though.

    I still don't like what I see. But, without researching his work further, it's hard to fault what the man says.

    No, I'm not expecting anyone, certainly not Gubbermint, to verify those numbers. Even if they are 100% correct, it is in nobody's interest to verify and/or make corrections to the numbers.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @07:42PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @07:42PM (#687793)

      Amazing coincidence!!!!

      I still don't like what I see. But, without researching his work further, it's hard to fault what the man says.

      I don't like what I read, when Runaway writes it. But without Runaway actually doing some reasearch, and thinking instead of just Roseanning before he types, this is not likely to change.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by unauthorized on Saturday June 02 2018, @08:36PM

      by unauthorized (3776) on Saturday June 02 2018, @08:36PM (#687802)

      Is this a Stormfront site?

      Close. The alt hype are the poser children for alt right "intellectuals", but all they do is lie through omission by making the tiniest errors that pass superficial inspection and would go completely over the heads of the alt sheep. They are really good at this shtick of theirs, it's rather impressive in a way.

      This article in particular relies heavily on bad sources. Statistic Brain despite it's claims of being a "research institute" is nothing but a statistics aggregation factory with abysmal accuracy, undocumented sources and zero independent review. This blog post [blogspot.com] goes into some specifics for anyone interested.