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Internet provider Grande Communications is requesting assistance from U.S. Marshals to serve piracy tracking company IP-Echelon. As part of the RIAA lawsuit, the ISP wants to find out more about a scam where IP-Echelon's name was abused by scammers to extract payments. Thus far, however, it has been unable to reach the company at its Hollywood office.
They used the name of piracy-tracking firm IP-Echelon and several major copyright holders, including HBO, to demand settlements for allegedly pirated content.
The DMCA scam was pretty convincing. The emails lacked IP-Echelon’s PGP signature but were good enough to fool some Internet providers into forwarding them. If anything, it revealed that these type of notices should be carefully vetted.
While we haven’t seen any reports of these fraudulent notices since, Internet provider Grande Communications has taken an interest in the matter, in preparation for its piracy liability case against the RIAA.
This case relies on DMCA notices sent by IP-Echelon competitor Rightscorp. The ISP is therefore eager to hear out IP-Echelon to find out more about the issue, noting that they received the scam emails as well.
“Grande has also received IP-Echelon infringement notices, which include both authenticated, PGP-signed infringement notices from IP-Echelon, as well as fake, non-PGP-signed notices which falsely claim to be from IP-Echelon,” Grande informed the court late last week.
Source: https://torrentfreak.com/isp-wants-us-marshals-to-help-serve-piracy-tracking-outfit-180528/
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @04:32PM (15 children)
why are we still chained to an ISP?? This, along with the entire 'client/server' model, is so wrong. The ISP is a prison. We have the key, but refuse to use it.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:04PM (14 children)
It's a nice idea, but do you really want the typical end user who's already incapable of properly securing their rig to have an even larger attack surface with even more room for error?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by frojack on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:10PM (13 children)
Exactly.
Somebody has to own and manage the infrastructure Joe Sixpack connects to. ISP, or Municipality, or somebody.
Just like water, sewer, and roads.
About the only thing you get truly for free is the air you breath.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:28PM
The question the plagues mankind.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:28PM (11 children)
You do the filtering at your end. Water, sewage, and roads are real physical things. You alone are responsible for what gets into your computer. You are perfectly welcome to contract out the service, but, aside from the voltage, you are not to be allowed to to filter what others put out on the line and filter what others can see and hear. The ISP is a ball and chain that we must eliminate. The only 'fair' internet is a dumb pipe.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:54PM
That is, not only is the State forbidden from interfering with the right of The People to network, but the State is also forbidden from making a law respecting an establishment of data connectivity—the State cannot provide networking either; that is for The People to figure out.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by frojack on Saturday June 02 2018, @06:08PM (9 children)
Who's pipe?
Pipes, wires, fiber and cell towers, are real physical things.
The resources, wires, pipes, fiber, radio frequencies and physical tracts of land cost real money. Far more than you could afford.
You need to start looking at the actual physical plant ownership of the internet. And maybe study a little economics along the way.
Maybe investigate the tragedy of the commons. Things you should have learned about long before you were turned loose on the internet.
Remember, every restriction the ISPs put in place over the decades was because of assholes who thought they could do anything they wanted on the internet. Anything, and as much of it as they wanted, 24/7. And when their bandwidth wash't sufficient, they would use your's, or somebody else's.
The sad truth is, you can't handle a dumb pipe.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @07:33PM (3 children)
Like water sewage and roads, the ISP must be considered and built as a public utility, the pipe to be fattened as needed. No routers, only switches should be permitted outside the private LAN. Unlike water, sewage and roads, content is nobody's business. Bandwidth can still be priced normally, without discrimination, so that is a non-issue The ISP is the only thing that can enforce the government's restrictions. This is their ultimate purpose. You would notice this if you paid attention to how the rules are piling up, and who the government goes to when they want something blocked or tracked. They have too much power. They must be removed from the picture entirely. The whole 'tragedy' is their creation. Without the ISP, the government cannot block Telegram or the google play store and other geoblocking 'features', nor can it log your communications. Without the ISP, we might finally be able to defeat the tragedy of copyright. The ISP is the tragedy, a monopoly that must be destroyed by whatever means necessary. I don't understand why you are such an apologist for them. This is is one reason that only technology can save us from this most egregious social problem that nobody, including you apparently, wants to even acknowledge. The whole argument is such a stupid waste of time and energy, when we could be developing the tech to circumvent the tyrants instead.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by isostatic on Saturday June 02 2018, @09:05PM (2 children)
Do you know how a network works?
"No routers, only switches should be permitted outside the private LAN"
P.s. I've just installed a 100mbit "dumb pipe" from a hotel in Singapore to London (it's actually provisioned via MPLS or something, but the presentation is >1500 byte ethernet at each end). Costing me £2k for the month. I already have my own router in docklands to land it on, and will have the one at the singapore end installed this week. Doesn't help me access telegram or google play or whatever, to do that I need to have a peering arrangement with the network those servers run on.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @10:40PM (1 child)
On a dumb pipe everyone is a 'server'.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Tuesday June 05 2018, @12:48PM
What are you on about? A "dumb pipe" could refer to anything from dark-fibre to perhaps a layer 2 ethernet circuit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @10:47PM (4 children)
No, it's because they wanted to make more money. They are greedy pieces of garbage who constantly bribe our government. They also claim they will expand in exchange for taxpayer dollars and then fail to meet their goals. Stop defending ISPs, moron. I assure you that their profit margins are insane enough that they don't need you to defend them.
(Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday June 03 2018, @02:05AM (3 children)
O fuck off with that stupid greed song.
How does forbidding you to run your own mail server because of spammers gain them any money?
Email is free to the users. It COST them money to block it and put up their own servers.
Then they gave everybody free (crappy but free) web hosting. Making a killing on that aren't they.
State an actual economic case or stfu.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 03 2018, @04:04AM (2 children)
They are greedy monopolistic authoritarians, so of course what they do is in their own best interest.
We absolutely do need dumb pipes. You pay for the Internet connection, and they don't police what you do with it. If you break any actual laws, that's for law enforcement to handle.
The fact that they did it is evidence enough, since they only care about money.
(Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday June 03 2018, @05:10PM (1 child)
We do need dumb pipes, for some values of dumb.
But not your values.
I don't want to live in a world where you can do what ever the hell you want to my internet connection as long as you don't break any actual laws. Having to suffer your prying eyes and digital attacks until the legislature gets around to passing an actual law is idiotic.
Trusting government to properly define what is illegal in the digital world could only be suggested by a fool who hasn't been paying attention for the last 20 years.
You sir, are an idiot, and worse, you are a dangerous idiot. You clearly don't know how the internet works. Go outside and play in the street. Everyone will be safer.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 03 2018, @08:34PM
Nobody can do anything to your connection that you don't allow. I told you before, you alone are responsible for your own filtering. Nobody has any right to block what I wish to receive, regardless of offense taken. It is impossible to break any actual laws on the internet. And certainly nobody has any right to determine what is legal or illegal on any electronic/print medium. The attempt is confirmation of the absolute necessity of eliminating the ISP gatekeeper so we can put that stupid argument to rest once and for all. Yes, like the other AC said, they are in it for the money, and permission to operate. You already are trusting your government to define what is illegal in the digital world, through your ISP. Only their elimination can give us the dumb pipe on the WAN. This is not something to be put up for a vote. It is simply something that must be done regardless of public opinion. You are playing the fascist that pretends to 'protect' us from fascism.
Of course, if you are willing to acknowledge that we are bald apes with no free will, then all bets are off. Survival of the fittest is still the way of the universe.