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posted by janrinok on Friday June 08 2018, @07:15PM   Printer-friendly
from the reports-of-my-death-are-not-exaggerated dept.

The U.S. Centers For Disease Control And Prevention (CDC) released a new Vital Signs report on Thursday, 7 June, 2018.

In the press release about the new report, the CDC states that:

Suicide rates have been rising in nearly every state, according to the latest Vital Signs report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). In 2016, nearly 45,000 Americans age 10 or older died by suicide. Suicide is the 10th leading cause of death and is one of just three leading causes that are on the rise.
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Researchers found that more than half of people who died by suicide did not have a known diagnosed mental health condition at the time of death. Relationship problems or loss, substance misuse; physical health problems; and job, money, legal or housing stress often contributed to risk for suicide. Firearms were the most common method of suicide used by those with and without a known diagnosed mental health condition.

Are any Soylentils contemplating suicide? Do you know anyone who has attempted or succeeded in taking their own life? Why do you think suicide rates are on the rise?


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  • (Score: 2) by Snow on Friday June 08 2018, @07:19PM (35 children)

    by Snow (1601) on Friday June 08 2018, @07:19PM (#690457) Journal

    Seriously. I think that Tinder is is a large cause of increasing suicide rates.

    Have any of you ever used Tinder/Bumble/CMB/whatever. It can be super depressing. Read my journals. It made me feel like shit. I feel much better now that I don't have time to use those apps.

    But... you gotta play the game to win the prize.

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  • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Friday June 08 2018, @07:28PM (27 children)

    by Grishnakh (2831) on Friday June 08 2018, @07:28PM (#690461)

    I don't know about this. I don't see how it's any worse there than in the "old days": men still went after women way out of their league, and 80% of women chased after 20% of the men.

    I suggest trying OKCupid instead. At least you can screen based on important compatibility factors there (religion, pets, body type, smoking, etc.), unlike those phone apps where you're mainly limited to age and distance.

    Dating has always been hard I think.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Snow on Friday June 08 2018, @07:39PM

      by Snow (1601) on Friday June 08 2018, @07:39PM (#690464) Journal

      I got most of my dates from OKC. That site has gone to shit though since they got bought by Match. I think it's still better than Tinder, but not by much.

      Ya, you are probably right, dating has always been tough. Instead of one rejection that you had to really pump yourself up for, you now get 100 mini-rejections. Actually now that I think about it, the in-person rejections have been more of a relief. Ok, I was rejected, but at least I tried, and now I know.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by VLM on Friday June 08 2018, @08:35PM (25 children)

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 08 2018, @08:35PM (#690487)

      Dating has always been hard I think.

      I've been off the market for some decades now, but I get the impression from coworkers and family that now a days you can either be excruciatingly politically correct and blue pilled about male-female relations and end up very sad, totally confused, and probably a virgin incel, or you can be officially the victim of a two minutes hate by legacy society after taking the red pill about male-female relations although the result is you can have tons of fun and sex but be full of "bad think". Obviously either way kinda sucks either you're alone sad and confused, or a bad person.

      I'm so freaking old that when I was single, we met in real life at bars. Lets not glorify the bad old days, that sucked ass although in a different way than today. A round of drinks for me and some girl cost more than my hourly wage when I was young, cops had nothing better to do that bust drunk drivers or generally mess with drunks people, drinking all the time and being drunk pretty much sucks, not to mention the anti-social behavior of some drunks.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by frojack on Friday June 08 2018, @08:57PM (12 children)

        by frojack (1554) on Friday June 08 2018, @08:57PM (#690496) Journal

        In the end, Women get the men they prefer.

        You want to know why there are so many "bad boys"? Ask the girls.
        Antisocial assholes, who women know will eventually dump them, still hold a strong attraction for a very large percentage of women.

        Women scream metoo, but they put themselves in these situation. They heard all the rumors. They still played the game.

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        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 08 2018, @09:13PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 08 2018, @09:13PM (#690505)

          In the end, Women get the men they prefer.

          I don't think they "get" them, I think they might get fucked by them, but I don't think they "get" them.

          Also, imagine being a guy who fucks women day in and out, and that is your life, it's fun for couple of years, but eventually you get your fill of women. All kinds, single, married, etc, you don't really care what their status is at the time. But then you think "man, maybe I should start a family" then you think about the commitment of it all, all the work that you will have to do and remember all the married or women in relationship you fucked and get really depressed. Because you will realize that these bitches ain't loyal.

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday June 08 2018, @09:16PM (9 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday June 08 2018, @09:16PM (#690506) Journal

          Again, the local lesbian pops in to ask, how in the unholy hell are there 7.5+ billion of us if this is what you breeders think of one another?

          --
          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Subsentient on Friday June 08 2018, @09:31PM (2 children)

            by Subsentient (1111) on Friday June 08 2018, @09:31PM (#690522) Homepage Journal

            Broken condoms, incorrectly taken birth control, bad pull out game, and in the third world, rape, no birth control, boredom, cultural expectations coupled with prohibited divorce.

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            "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 09 2018, @01:39AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 09 2018, @01:39AM (#690622)

              your "third world" statement sounds a lot like the south. was that intentional?

              • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Saturday June 09 2018, @03:41AM

                by Grishnakh (2831) on Saturday June 09 2018, @03:41AM (#690662)

                Probably not, but the South does resemble undeveloped nations in many ways.

                Source: Born in and grew up in the South

          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Snow on Friday June 08 2018, @09:50PM (2 children)

            by Snow (1601) on Friday June 08 2018, @09:50PM (#690534) Journal

            Because our monkey brains are wired to want sex.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 09 2018, @01:47AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 09 2018, @01:47AM (#690627)

              Because our Snow's monkey brain are is wired to want sex.

              FTFY. You crazy monkey, Snow! Try thinking like a Great Ape!

          • (Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Saturday June 09 2018, @02:52AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 09 2018, @02:52AM (#690650) Journal
            There'd be a lot less people around, if you had to have a good opinion of your partner in order to reproduce.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 09 2018, @03:27PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 09 2018, @03:27PM (#690802)

            Females born into muslim society don't always get a choice about how many children they have. Or if they want sex. Or who the father of the resulting child is.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 09 2018, @04:09PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 09 2018, @04:09PM (#690820)

            Uhhhhhh - those aren't breeders voicing those attitudes. As for real life "breeding couples" - we all put up with each other. I ain't perfect, she ain't perfect, but we're committed to the family. THAT is what it's all about.

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 08 2018, @10:20PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 08 2018, @10:20PM (#690550)

          A long (very long) time ago, I asked one of my best friends about this and she said "the roller coaster is exciting".

          It's all I have to add.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by bobthecimmerian on Friday June 08 2018, @09:58PM (8 children)

        by bobthecimmerian (6834) on Friday June 08 2018, @09:58PM (#690540)

        "Politically correct" is the bogey man and the monster under the bed for people who want to sound like mavericks. Give it up. A guy can be pro-feminist and pro-sex (with women) without selling his guns, giving up his favorite sports, canceling his gym membership, and trading in his truck or whatever the hell it is that's important to you. And there are women that are fine with one night stands, not every single one happens because a guy lied.

        What you can't be is abusive or dishonest. And there's no 'deserve' in it - there might be some woman that you don't view as out of your league. Maybe you're thin and athletic and she's fat and ugly. That still doesn't mean she should be grateful to get you. You ask, sometimes they say no, end of story.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 09 2018, @01:37AM (7 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 09 2018, @01:37AM (#690621)

          Keep dreaming Skippy. You cannot be Alpha while putting pussy on a pedastal.

          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday June 09 2018, @04:14AM (5 children)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday June 09 2018, @04:14AM (#690677) Journal

            Has it occurred to you that maybe he's not interested in "being Alpha?" Personally, if I were straight he sounds like the kind of man I'd be looking for.

            --
            I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
            • (Score: 5, Insightful) by bobthecimmerian on Saturday June 09 2018, @01:28PM (4 children)

              by bobthecimmerian (6834) on Saturday June 09 2018, @01:28PM (#690782)

              I'm taken, but thanks for the kind words. If you private message me, I can send you the address where you can mail a sympathy card to my wife. ;)

              "Alpha male" crap annoys the hell out of me. Real power means you have nothing to prove. I'm not going to have more muscles or a bigger dick if I trade my minivan for a $55,000 pickup truck, or buy a motorcycle, or get tattoos. I can treat everyone as equals because first and foremost they are equals and second I don't feel threatened by anyone. I have my own insecurities and anxieties, but I don't make a laughable attempt to wallpaper over them by being a colossal asshole.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 09 2018, @03:43PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 09 2018, @03:43PM (#690809)

                Around here you don't need trucks or tattoos, just a crusty beak and some moldy wings!

              • (Score: 4, Interesting) by acid andy on Saturday June 09 2018, @04:17PM (2 children)

                by acid andy (1683) on Saturday June 09 2018, @04:17PM (#690824) Homepage Journal

                "Alpha male" crap annoys the hell out of me. Real power means you have nothing to prove.

                Exactly this. Aside from the fact that's it an old-fashioned and fuzzy biological concept that applies in questionable amounts to the rest of the animal kingdom, let alone to modern humans, those who resort to repeatedly applying the term to themselves and others certainly seem to have a certain amount of insecurity. I always think understated power is the more attractive aesthetic
                With regard to feminism and even putting women on pedestals, there are plenty of people that do that more through choice (be it ideological or sexual preference) rather than necessity. There's even the cliche of the powerful executive submitting to a dominatrix! Giving up power and showing respect for another requires a certain confidence and strength of character in itself as well. Being a brash, abusive asshole is easy.

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                • (Score: 2) by bobthecimmerian on Saturday June 09 2018, @06:44PM (1 child)

                  by bobthecimmerian (6834) on Saturday June 09 2018, @06:44PM (#690889)

                  I think putting someone on a pedestal has subtly different connotations compared to allowing yourself to be dominated or - if it's your fetish - abused by a woman. I think a pedestal tends to indicate unrealistic ideas about what women are and how their mind works, like they're special angelic beings or something. Which might seem harmless at worst, but I think any classifying of women as fundamentally different than men is risky. When your relationship goes sour, or you can't get a date, or the person you love desperately is callous or willfully cruel to you, I think it's too easy to develop a mass hatred or distrust or something for all women. But if you view each woman as human as each man, then you realize any particular female asshole or idiot means exactly as much for the whole sex as any particular male asshole or idiot means for the whole male sex.

                  • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Saturday June 09 2018, @07:10PM

                    by acid andy (1683) on Saturday June 09 2018, @07:10PM (#690902) Homepage Journal

                    When you put it like that, I see the distinction but I'm not sure the AC that introduced the term does.

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          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bobthecimmerian on Saturday June 09 2018, @01:22PM

            by bobthecimmerian (6834) on Saturday June 09 2018, @01:22PM (#690778)

            No pedestal. Equal footing. That's all.

            A lot of guys have a problem thinking women as some kind of "mysterious other". They think differently, their minds work in bizarre and alien ways, they have an indecipherable logic, whatever. It's an incorrect and more importantly counterproductive way to view the situation. Women eat, sleep, drink, shit, have hopes and dreams, have back pains and itches, get bored, get happy, get sad, just like men. Through upbringing or maybe innate tendencies they're more likely to be focused on social connections than most guys. And for some bizarre reason I'll never understand but am very thankful for most of them are attracted to the male body instead of the female body. They're not that different from us, and they're not impossible to understand.

            And even a lot of women's supposed craziness is easy to understand if you look at it that way. "Lots of women are attracted to asshole alpha males." Yeah? Tell me how many hetero guys are turned off by the half-dressed tough girl biker chicks - not many. Confidence is sexy, for every guy that wants a girl who likes to be bossed around there's another guy who wants a woman who goes after what she wants, likes her looks and doesn't care what anyone else thinks, and won't take shit from anyone. "Women are hyper-sensitive about their looks." Ever have a wife or girlfriend tell you you're getting fat flabby? I guarantee you will want to cry, scream, or hit her (that doesn't mean it's okay to hit, just that it's the first thing to come to mind). "Women don't understand blue balls." Sure they do, they can be horny and frustrated too. But nobody ever owes anyone else sex, not even a spouse. If your significant other wants sex with you a lot less than you want sex with them, discuss it. If things don't change, end the relationship.

            Don't put them on a pedestal, don't treat them like dogs. Just treat 'em like people.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 08 2018, @10:12PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 08 2018, @10:12PM (#690546)

        How some you fooled some woman to stick around is beyond me. The only thing I can figure is that you're just another typical internet tough guy who spews his most vile shit online but in reality you're a total dip.

      • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Saturday June 09 2018, @03:36AM (1 child)

        by Grishnakh (2831) on Saturday June 09 2018, @03:36AM (#690660)

        I've had people tell me to go to bars to meet women. The problem with this idea is that you're very likely to meet women who like to drink. I don't like to drink; I'd rather date women who don't drink at all, or at least very little.

        I have an ex-wife who drank sometimes. It didn't bring out the best in her...

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by anubi on Saturday June 09 2018, @08:49AM

          by anubi (2828) on Saturday June 09 2018, @08:49AM (#690725) Journal

          I hear you... there is nothing in a bar that interests me. Nor a casino.

          I see all these TV ads for these "vacation getaways", and I would be miserable there.

          A National Parks pass and KOA pass is more down my alley.

          My idea of a relaxing week is to go get in my old van and go somewhere out in the middle of nowhere, fish, camp, and just walk around, looking at interesting geological or botanical spots, not having another human around for miles. Just me and those I care about.

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          "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Gaaark on Friday June 08 2018, @09:49PM (3 children)

    by Gaaark (41) on Friday June 08 2018, @09:49PM (#690532) Journal

    I think if i was single again (touch wood... HELLO, PENIS!), I'd probably just not use those apps and just go down to the local games shop or comic book store or something and try to find a nice geek girl/woman that way.

    Those apps, i heard from my daughter, are as you say: DEPRESSING AS HELL.

    I'd have to scope out the woman in person from afar to see if there looks to be some compatibility before making a move.

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    • (Score: 4, Funny) by Snow on Friday June 08 2018, @09:53PM (2 children)

      by Snow (1601) on Friday June 08 2018, @09:53PM (#690536) Journal

      Meet girls at the game shop? I hope you can roll a +65 charisma, +8300 luck, and +42 chad.

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Gaaark on Saturday June 09 2018, @01:52AM

        by Gaaark (41) on Saturday June 09 2018, @01:52AM (#690629) Journal

        When my wife and i went into one near us to buy, i think, Star Trek Catan, it was co-owned by a woman and there were young ladies there (i can imagine their games night would have some as well).

        But they could all have been 'taken' women.... i dunno. Would have been weird asking them if they were single with my wife's foot up my arse, lol.

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        --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
      • (Score: 4, Informative) by kazzie on Saturday June 09 2018, @01:13PM

        by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 09 2018, @01:13PM (#690776)

        I managed to find a wife at my university's engineering department. I didn't make a chad roll, but I must have had a crit on my luck roll.

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 08 2018, @11:33PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 08 2018, @11:33PM (#690584)

    You've had sex, marriage, and a daughter. Incels don't even have the privilege of getting cucked like you did. Check your privilege!

  • (Score: 2) by esperto123 on Saturday June 09 2018, @12:30PM (1 child)

    by esperto123 (4303) on Saturday June 09 2018, @12:30PM (#690763)

    I don't know if tinder is a factor, altough I completely agree that using it is depressing, for different reasons than you, in my case it was just how completely incompentent I am at this game, every single time I installed it I almost hit to rock bottom (just the other day was thinking of giving another try but convinced myself it was not worth it).
    But one "modern" thing is almost certain to be a huge contributor to this spike is social media in general, facebook, instagram, twitter and the like. You take a segment of the population that is already prone to depression and expose them to "perfect lives" of other people and to vicious harassment and you can get an explosive combination. Take as an example the suicide of August Ames, a 23 years old pornstar, that had history of depression, got into fights and harrassed by religious folks on twitter and after a bad one just decided she would not like to live anymore.

    • (Score: 2) by Snow on Monday June 11 2018, @02:51PM

      by Snow (1601) on Monday June 11 2018, @02:51PM (#691417) Journal

      My dating game is pretty bad too.

      Try Coffee Meets Bagel. It's not nearly as depressing as Tinder/Bumble/etc. It might take a while to get anything out of it, but at least you don't feel like a complete worthless reject while still 'putting yourself out there'.