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President Trump Set to Meet Kim Jong-un at 9 PM EDT (01:00 UTC, 9 AM Singapore)

posted by takyon on Tuesday June 12 2018, @12:12AM   Printer-friendly
from the launch-coded dept.

takyon writes:

President Trump meets Kim Jong Un

President Trump and North Korea's Kim Jong Un will meet in just a few hours. Here's what to watch for and when, according to the White House schedule.

  • 8 p.m. ET (June 11) / 8 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump departs Shangri-La Hotel en route to Capella Singapore, where the two leaders will meet.
  • 8:20 p.m. ET (June 11) / 8:20 a.m. Singapore (June 12): Trump arrives at Capella Singapore.
  • 9 p.m. ET (June 11) / 9 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un greet each other. This is the big moment. Cameras will be there to capture their expected handshake.
  • 9:15 p.m. ET (June 11) / 9:15 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un participate in a one-on-one bilateral meeting.
  • 10 p.m. ET (June 11) / 10 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un participate in an expanded bilateral meeting.
  • 11:30 p.m. ET (June 11) / 11:30 a.m. Singapore (June 12): President Trump and Kim Jong Un have a working lunch.
  • 4 a.m. ET (June 12) / 4 p.m. Singapore: President Trump is expected to speak with reporters.
  • 6:30 a.m. ET / 6:30 p.m. Singapore: President Trump departs Capella Singapore for Paya Lebar Air Base Singapore.
  • 7 a.m. ET / 7 p.m. Singapore: Trump departs Paya Lebar Air Base, Singapore, en route to Andersen Air Force Base, Guam. From there, he will travel on to the United States.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 12 2018, @02:47PM (1 child)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday June 12 2018, @02:47PM (#691922) Journal

    I can give him props for anything not engaging in the globalist agenda. He fought the TPP, good job. He's negotiating more for US workers in trade, possibly good job. He's going about it like a complete fucking moron, but is at least fighting them. THAT's IT.

    You say that like it's nothing. For the American middle class, or what remains of it, it's the entire game. We know Hillary would have instantly reversed her campaign promise on the matter and signed the TPP, a trade pact that was not even shown to members of Congress who were supposed to vote on it. That right there is so outrageous, so beyond the pale, that Obama, who set up that travesty, should be hanged for it.

    As far as I'm concerned, Trump bought himself a lot of latitude for killing the TPP. Every other silly thing he tweets or postures on does not matter.

    He's famously refused to do ANY preparations for this meeting, saying that he will "wing it". That's just plain dumb stupid arrogance. It's NOT a wonderful thing that we have a belligerent toddler dealing with a true dictator with nuclear ambitions.

    I don't want to burst your bubble, but all presidents "wing it." Even the ones you think are intelligent. Why? Because they have no time or bandwidth to do anything but wing it. Everyone on earth wants him to do something for them. So after he's done with photo ops and having sit-downs with kids from the Make a Wish Foundation, there is no time to read a thousand page document painfully composed by failed Ivy League English Lit. majors at State.

    If anything positive happens with North Korea, I will be giving Kimmie the credit for it. Why? He's doing more right now than just leveling insults and threats. This has been the most positive interaction between North Korea and South Korea since the fucking war. To say that it is all possible, simply because of the belligerence of one orange asshole in America, is just plain ignorant.

    Really? Kim has fed his political enemies to packs of starving dogs as a form of capital punishment. That's who you're siding with? South Korea just impeached their president, jailed her, and jailed the head of Samsung for an incredibly massive corruption scandal. That's the far-sighted regime in the South you credit?

    I get that you hate Trump, but come on.

    2) Donnie yelled a lot on Twitter and threatened them.

    Yeah, #2 really isn't all that threatening given 50+ years of the same shit going back forth, with North Korea basically sounding like Trump. The credit that Trump gets? Being in the right place and right time in history to try and take credit for North Korea and South Korea finally working out their problems.

    He did more than that. He sent several carrier battlegroups to surround the Korean peninsula and had the bombers do test runs from Guam. He got sanctions tightened to the maximum. He spanked and shamed China for enabling Kim. It's called brinksmanship, and is a tactic of statecraft that is as old as the hills.

    When Teddy Roosevelt did that, it resulted in Panama gaining independence from Colombia and allowing the Panama Canal to be built and controlled by the US. That in turn put the US in the very solid geo-strategic position it enjoyed when WWII rolled around a couple decades later. And, it's something all school kids in America read about now as an example of how you build national strength.

    But, I get it, you hate Trump so none of that matters.

    Not only that, he continually flip flops in such a fashion, that you know that NONE of his positions are well thought out. It's all political to see what he can get.

    It's not my preference. I like to be clear, and appreciate when people are clear and thoughtful with me. But that does not mean keeping your negotiating partners off-balance is an illegitimate tactic. It does not necessarily mean that Trump does not know what he is doing. Maybe he doesn't, and maybe he does. But we won't know until we've had time to watch the outcomes.

    It is an article of faith among historians that you need at least 20 years' perspective to judge any leader's actions fairly, so why should that be true for every other leader in history, but not for Trump? Why rush to judgement in his case, but not in any other?

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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday June 12 2018, @04:16PM

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday June 12 2018, @04:16PM (#691979) Journal

    I agree with a lot of what you wrote, except:

    That right there is so outrageous, so beyond the pale, that Obama, who set up that travesty, should be hanged for it.

    Phoenix666 wants to hang a black man!

    Kim has fed his political enemies to packs of starving dogs as a form of capital punishment.

    I'm not faulting him 100% for this. Most of his political enemies are elites. When Kim Jong-il died, it was assumed that Jong-un's elders would run things. He may have done what he had to do in order to survive. In fact, his survival may have depended on him completely filling the power vacuum left by his father, and remaining top dog today. The cruel method of execution can be chalked up to scaring other potential threats within the military elites.

    That's not to say that Jong-un is completely rational and justified. He is still likely cruel and paranoid, as we can see from him VXing his brother, who was far from a genuine political threat (maybe some intelligence service somewhere disagrees). He is still oppressing his people. But he may be somewhat more likely to politically reform North Korea down the line if he is guaranteed a lifeline (e.g. exile to Switzerland with a plane full of cash). The best hope for this diplomatic game is that Kim Jong-un isn't exactly like his father and grandfather. He can choose to go in a different direction.

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