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posted by cmn32480 on Tuesday June 12 2018, @01:33PM   Printer-friendly
from the global-warming-is-a-hoax dept.

World spending on renewable vitality is outpacing investment decision in electric power from coal, natural gasoline and nuclear energy plants, pushed by slipping costs of manufacturing wind and solar ability.

More than 50 % of the energy-producing capacity extra all-around the entire world in current several years has been in renewable sources this kind of as wind and solar, in accordance to the International Vitality Company.

In 2016, the newest calendar year for which data is out there, about $297 billion was used on renewables—more than two times the $143 billion spent on new nuclear, coal, gas and gas oil electric power plants, according to the IEA. The Paris-based organization assignments renewables will make up 56% of net producing potential additional through 2025.

The moment supported overwhelmingly by hard cash-back incentives, tax credits and other authorities incentives, wind- and solar-era charges have fallen continually for a 10 years, earning renewable-energy financial commitment additional competitive.

Renewable charges have fallen so significantly in the earlier number of yrs that "wind and photo voltaic now symbolize the least expensive-charge selection for building electrical energy," claimed Francis O'Sullivan, study director of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Energy Initiative.

Sustained government assistance in Europe and other formulated economies spurred the development of renewable vitality. But expenses have fallen for other factors. China invested closely in a domestic photo voltaic-producing market, generating a glut of affordable solar panels. Innovation assisted makers make for a longer period wind-turbine blades, generating devices ready to generate significantly far more ability at a reduced expense.

Quoted Article: http://relatednews.net/31303/global-investment-in-wind-and-solar-energy-is-outshining-fossil-fuels/

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @07:49PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12 2018, @07:49PM (#692081)

    There's not much of a recycle market for PV panels (Yet) but there will be. And the rare earths you worry about are still in there.
    Strip the glass, re-refine the elements. Kind of like we do for lead-acid batteries since forever.

    And all of this will cost energy.
    Will the panel produce enough of it in its lifetime, to cover its own manufacture and recycling?

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday June 13 2018, @12:17AM (4 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 13 2018, @12:17AM (#692162) Journal

    Will the panel produce enough of it in its lifetime, to cover its own manufacture and recycling?

    2 years to recoup the energy used to make them [solarchoice.net.au], then 28 years of net energy production. With virtually no maintenance or other operational costs - just dust/wash them if it doesn't rain in your area.

    Your turn now, show me how long is the time for a full RoI for a coal plant, operational costs included?

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by HiThere on Wednesday June 13 2018, @12:40AM (3 children)

      by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 13 2018, @12:40AM (#692172) Journal

      You're assuming ores of current quality. Solar cells might be harder to refine than current ores. (They could also, of course, be easier.)

      Just don't be sure that that current study will apply in the future.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Wednesday June 13 2018, @01:00AM (2 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 13 2018, @01:00AM (#692181) Journal

        Just don't be sure that that current study will apply in the future.

        It may also happen that the PV of the future will be more efficient with a sub-linear increase in production energy intensity (e.g. etch multiple stacked junctions on the same area - sorta like finFET). I.e. the time for energy-RoI may actually become shorter.

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        • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday June 13 2018, @06:17PM (1 child)

          by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 13 2018, @06:17PM (#692438) Journal

          It probably will be, at least somewhat. But it's worth remembering that usually the easy, cheap, optimizations are done early, and later on you just get incremental improvements. When this isn't true it's generally because of a major change in the technology used, in which case the rare-earth elements may lose their value. E.g., at least one report I've seen was touting a graphite based replacement for the body, with altered crystal forms rather than implanted elements as the tuning mechanism. I don't really believe it, but it's the KIND of thing that might lead to a major improvement.

          Apparently you can tune graphite to be conductive [in some particular direction] and an insulator in the other directions, and there's an in-between crystal form that semi-conductive. Doesn't sound stable to me, and I may well have misunderstood their argument. But some other proposals used Boron doping, etc. etc.

          Nothing convincing yet, but if you're hoping for a major improvement, that's the kind of area to look in. Or even amorphous silicon, as it's got a different set of advantages.

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          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Wednesday June 13 2018, @06:54PM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 13 2018, @06:54PM (#692471) Journal

            When this isn't true it's generally because of a major change in the technology used, in which case the rare-earth elements may lose their value

            The way I know, PV technology does not require rare-earths (and neither other semiconductor components)
            Usually, the bulk p-type is done by introducing boron in the melt, with a strongly doped thin layer on top using phosphorus as impurity (with POCl3 mostly let to flow on top of the cell at 800-900C). The top antireflective layer is silicon-nitride - again, no rare-earth.
            True, a multijunction pv cell will be technologically harder to manufacture, but I still don't see the need of rare-earths.

            Where rare-earths are needed - strong permanent magnets, like in the case of wind turbines. But in such cases, the rare-earths are much easier to recycle.

            Nothing convincing yet, but if you're hoping for a major improvement, that's the kind of area to look in. Or even amorphous silicon, as it's got a different set of advantages.

            A tandem solar cell [wikipedia.org] (two junctions) reaches 30% efficiency under 1sun and 40% when using concentrated illumination. But they are horrendously difficult to manufacture.

            Feeling of guts - meta-materials may be a direction.

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday June 13 2018, @05:40AM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 13 2018, @05:40AM (#692241) Journal

    Will the panel produce enough of it in its lifetime, to cover its own manufacture and recycling?

    The answer has been "Yes" for several decades. You're smart enough to understand the problem. That means you're smart enough to do some slight googling and answer the question.