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posted by martyb on Tuesday June 19 2018, @06:39PM   Printer-friendly
from the oooh-look-shiny dept.

Several sites are reporting, without reference to IBM's activities 70 years ago, that Microsoft's contact with ICE (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement) is drawing fire online. The Computer Business Review includes a quote from Microsoft now missing from their press release:

"ICE's decision to accelerate IT modernization using Azure Government will help them innovate faster while reducing the burden of legacy IT. The agency is currently implementing transformative technologies for homeland security and public safety, and we're proud to support this work with our mission-critical cloud," he wrote.

KUOW radio writes on their web site that Microsoft is facing outrage their for blog post touting ICE contract:

As outrage grew online, a Microsoft employee quietly removed mention of ICE from the January press release this morning. Social media users noticed that, too. The company has since restored the press release's original language, and called its removal a "mistake."

After a little bit of conference swag gets handed out and a few advertising contracts^W^Wscholarships get handed out, this will all blow over and be forgotten.


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19 2018, @07:12PM (17 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19 2018, @07:12PM (#695223)

    Deporting illegal immigrants is now comparable to gassing 6 million Jews? Usually when an adult is detained by law enforcement, they are separated from their children.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19 2018, @07:39PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19 2018, @07:39PM (#695235)

    The outrage industry must be a lucrative one. They certainly have enough employees.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19 2018, @07:54PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19 2018, @07:54PM (#695248)

      I repaired your error :

      The outrage industry must be a lucrative one. They certainly have enough CUSTOMERS.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday June 19 2018, @08:09PM (2 children)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday June 19 2018, @08:09PM (#695257) Journal

    Suddenly conservatives are totally fine with the government kidnapping people's children.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19 2018, @08:24PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19 2018, @08:24PM (#695269)

      Sane people are fine with laws against criminals being enforced. If a parent endangers their child, the child is taken into protective custody. Take a child into a country illegally, the child will be taken into custody when the parents are arrested. Law should be updated to charge reckless parents will endangerment and trafficking!

    • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday June 19 2018, @08:46PM

      by Gaaark (41) on Tuesday June 19 2018, @08:46PM (#695284) Journal

      As long as the children are put into the fluffy cloud instead of cages, I'm down wit dat, mon.

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      --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19 2018, @08:32PM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19 2018, @08:32PM (#695275)

    Gassing the Jews did not come out of the blue. It was preceded by a series of deliberate, planned, measurered steps that were 100% clear in retrospect. You're seeing the exact same pattern in the USA, and it has gone far beyond the "Then they came for the Trade Unionists..." part.

    Thing is, you're confused about a very important detail and you should not trust what FOX agitprop is selling you. The trump administration are imprisoning, among other people, ASYLUM SEEKERS andthe part where they're separating the children of asylum seekers from their parents is unprecedented in law and custom, a clear violation of human rights, and a giant 'fuck you too' to several international treaties the USA is signatory to.

    There's a shitload more people coming into the USA undocumented that just the Mexican economic refugees. Come back when you're ready to play.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19 2018, @11:41PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19 2018, @11:41PM (#695365)

      Gassing the Jews did not come out of the blue. It was preceded by a series of deliberate, planned, measurered steps that were 100% clear in retrospect. You're seeing the exact same pattern in the USA, and it has gone far beyond the "Then they came for the Trade Unionists..." part.

      Can you elaborate on precisely when a president backed by Jewish businessmen is going to start "gassing the Jews"?

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday June 20 2018, @01:06AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 20 2018, @01:06AM (#695401) Journal
        Still has yet to go after the trade unionists and Communists too.
      • (Score: 2) by shortscreen on Wednesday June 20 2018, @07:56AM (1 child)

        by shortscreen (2252) on Wednesday June 20 2018, @07:56AM (#695505) Journal

        I love how people are invoking Godwin's law in response to random crap at the same time Holocaust: Yemen Edition is currently in the works.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 20 2018, @03:10PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 20 2018, @03:10PM (#695610)

          Whataboutism

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 20 2018, @01:03PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 20 2018, @01:03PM (#695565)

        And the moderates to radicalize them, then used the 'plight of the persecuted Jews' to get the country they had been carefully buying up land and committing acts of terrorism in for years in their attempts to create a Zionist state. The creation of Israel makes Machiavelli and Sun Tzu proud.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by slinches on Tuesday June 19 2018, @11:54PM

      by slinches (5049) on Tuesday June 19 2018, @11:54PM (#695369)

      The trump administration are imprisoning, among other people, ASYLUM SEEKERS andthe part where they're separating the children of asylum seekers from their parents is unprecedented in law and custom, a clear violation of human rights, and a giant 'fuck you too' to several international treaties the USA is signatory to.

      The Trump administration is prosecuting those who cross the border illegally. Asylum seekers who apply legally at a port of entry are not separated from their children.

    • (Score: 2, Redundant) by physicsmajor on Wednesday June 20 2018, @01:34AM (3 children)

      by physicsmajor (1471) on Wednesday June 20 2018, @01:34AM (#695410)

      Actually we have almost always separated children from accompanying adults, because we have no documentation or way to determine if that's a loving father-daughter couple or a pimp with an underage sex slave.

      So I guess you're for child sex trafficking then?

      Far from unprecedented, we've had this as policy since the Clinton era, actually both Clintons and Obama ran on a hard stance on immigration.

      Don't believe what any shill is trying to sell, particularly on any major news network today. Look up the actual legislation and think about the situation. Everyone seems to think we have a crystal ball to know for sure what the situation is, where at the border it's almost always completely opaque. For the safety of us, our agents, and those in custody you have to start from a position of complete skepticism and build from there.

      Furthermore, when parents break federal law sometimes their kids are taken from them or they're forcibly separated by being placed in prison. But these people who deliberately as their very first act violate the very sanctity of the country's borders need to be given carte blanche? Think about that for a bit.

      Oh, you meant asylum seekers. Well, we don't know anything more about those people than the hypothetical human trafficer above. So reduced scrutiny means you are again advocating for human trafficking, yes?

      Or perhaps you haven't actually thought any of this through, thinking with your heart and what biased media said instead of your brain.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 20 2018, @11:22AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 20 2018, @11:22AM (#695538)

        because we have no documentation or way to determine if that's a loving father-daughter couple or a pimp with an underage sex slave

        You can still handle that in several ways.
        1. Assume they are lying (guilty) and separate immediately until you figure out the truth.
        2. Assume they are honest (innocent) and keep them locked up together until you figure out the truth.

        It seems strange that the U.S. in all it's law goes for option 2, but at the border it should suddenly be reversed to option 1?

      • (Score: 2) by Taibhsear on Wednesday June 20 2018, @03:14PM (1 child)

        by Taibhsear (1464) on Wednesday June 20 2018, @03:14PM (#695613)

        because we have no documentation or way to determine if that's a loving father-daughter couple or a pimp with an underage sex slave.

        Do you seriously believe that? If so, welcome to the 19th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics [wikipedia.org]

        • (Score: 2) by physicsmajor on Wednesday June 20 2018, @08:31PM

          by physicsmajor (1471) on Wednesday June 20 2018, @08:31PM (#695767)

          Even in developed, first world countries the estimated rate of non-paternity is on the order of 10%.

          DNA tests, even if they were perfectly sensitive and specific (they are not, despite what most believe and TV shows imply), do not fully address this.

  • (Score: 2) by sjames on Wednesday June 20 2018, @12:48AM

    by sjames (2882) on Wednesday June 20 2018, @12:48AM (#695389) Journal

    But in that case, the children aren't typically also incarcerated or institutionalized.

    If you want to deport them, then drop them off together on the other side of whatever border they crossed.