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posted by martyb on Sunday June 24 2018, @09:43AM   Printer-friendly
from the skirting-existing-laws dept.

The Center for American Progress reports

Before Stephen Paddock opened fire at a country music festival on the Las Vegas Strip last October, killing 58 and wounding hundreds, most Americans probably hadn't heard of bump-fire stocks--add-ons that lets a semiautomatic rifle fire as quickly as a machine gun. Until that mass shooting, they were a novelty known only among firing-range enthusiasts and Cool Gun YouTube.

Within months of Las Vegas, lawmakers introduced bipartisan legislation[1] to outlaw the devices, and the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, or ATF, announced plans to ban them through regulation.[2]

But gun control advocates warn bump stocks are just one part of a much bigger problem. A flood of new gun technologies is pushing the envelope on what a civilian can legally own, skirting laws that have kept the most dangerous weapons off the street for decades.

[...] Weapons like machine guns, silencers, and short-barreled rifles and shotguns are regulated under the National Firearms Act of 1934 and subsequent amendments. To own one of those weapons, a civilian has to go through a lengthy approval process and pay a special tax. The job of deciding whether a gun falls under NFA's restrictions falls to ATF.

Gun manufacturers have used the law's technicalities to create guns that are just as powerful, and deadly, as restricted weapons but without the added tax and strict regulations.

Take the SAINT, by Springfield Armory. It's an AR-15 with a 30-round magazine and a 7.5-inch barrel. That's shorter than the legal rifle length under federal law. But instead of a shoulder stock, the SAINT has a "stabilizing brace" or "forearm brace"--a device designed to attach to a shooter's forearm for one-handed firing rather than resting against their shoulder. By ATF's definition, the SAINT is a pistol, not a rifle, because it isn't meant to be fired from the shoulder. So anyone who can pass a federal background check can buy one online for $989.

[...] Stabilizing braces aren't the only new gun tech to skirt around the National Firearms Act. Franklin Armory's Binary Trigger System fires two rounds with every shot--one when the trigger is depressed and one when it's released, doubling the rate of fire. Like bump stocks and stabilizing braces, binary triggers aren't currently regulated under the National Firearms Act.

In one YouTube video, a man uses a binary trigger to fire a 30-round magazine in less than five seconds. In another, a binary trigger beats out a fully-automatic weapon.

[1] Bogus link in TFA. Fixed in TFS.
[2] Content is behind scripts.


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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @04:38PM (20 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @04:38PM (#697620)

    The black on black crime bit becomes a racist point when asshats say "bbbut its only THOSE people who are the problem!" Reframe it as a problem we should help black communities solve and you wont get shit for it.

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @05:21PM (19 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @05:21PM (#697634)

    The black on black crime bit becomes a racist point when asshats say "bbbut its only THOSE people who are the problem!" Reframe it as a problem we should help black communities solve and you wont get shit for it.

    You're attempting to apply logic because you don't understand the problem. [youtu.be] Can Democrats admit that their social programs yield increases in violence? [youtu.be] That "toxic masculinity" and grievance mongering - projecting blame for black crime onto white people as a result of "racist discrimination", "oppression" or "poverty" is utter bullshit? Doesn't it defeat the argument for gun control when you look at the stats for knife crime in the UK and ask what the cause is there? [metro.co.uk]

    Mention any of this stuff, you must be some kind of "Nazi" and surrender all guns to the government that the left also call "Nazi's". Logic? Free debate results in the entire left wing narrative collapsing. This is why they are ideologically obligated to slander and attempt to silence those discussing it.

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @06:16PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @06:16PM (#697644)

      Well youre way out in the weeds so no im not gonna wsste time tryimg to walk you back to sanity.

    • (Score: 1, Troll) by SanityCheck on Sunday June 24 2018, @06:42PM (16 children)

      by SanityCheck (5190) on Sunday June 24 2018, @06:42PM (#697655)

      Yes I agree, Democrats ruined Black families. Destroyed their societal structure, quite thoroughly. You have nothing but broken families, who do not raise their kids right, do not involve in the community, don't join their churches, just wallow in their own ignorance.

      Why am I so racist? Not so, just observant, I have lived in one ghetto or another for about 15 years, so I seen it all. I have next to know friends from elementary school, because they are too fond of jail.

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @07:02PM (15 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @07:02PM (#697665)

        Yes I agree, Democrats ruined Black families.

        Yes, they did. They were, and still are pro-slavery, now using the school to prison pipeline. Early civil rights came from the republicans.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 24 2018, @07:39PM (14 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday June 24 2018, @07:39PM (#697675) Journal

          Aaaaaand then the Republican party neatly flipped places with the Dixiecrats. Southern Strategy, mate, bloody well look it up. You don't get to freeze time in the late 50s and pretend the parties are still the same. Piss off with that rubbish.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @09:14PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @09:14PM (#697711)
            • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @09:26PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @09:26PM (#697721)

              Pretty well-known history. Explicit Nixon strategy. Read Kevin Phillips book. Southern Democrats are now all Republicans, moderate Republicans are now all Democrats, and there is nothing left in the Republican party except Likud supporters, Russian agents, and Crazy Right-wing Nut-job Gun-fetishists.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 24 2018, @09:53PM (2 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday June 24 2018, @09:53PM (#697743) Journal

              Debunked in the comments section, which is a sentence I NEVER thought I would say. That was pathetic, AC.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @10:36PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @10:36PM (#697764)

                Debunk this! [wikipedia.org] If the claim is that the Southern Strategy represents the Republican party of 2018, why does the Southern Manifesto not represent the party of the KKK?

                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday June 25 2018, @05:38AM

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday June 25 2018, @05:38AM (#697978) Journal

                  Uh...it does? That sounds a hell of a lot like small-town Republican politicos. This is the sort of thing they get caught saying on Twitface or a hot mic now and then.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @09:15PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 24 2018, @09:15PM (#697712)

            You can't list senators. You can only list "senator", singular.

            If your false history were true, one would expect that numerous senators would switch. That never happened.

            What we have here is an example of a common PR strategy: if you repeat a lie often enough, people may believe it. This is the only option democrats have, because their party was the one opposing civil rights legislation. That doesn't play too well today, and they know it.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 24 2018, @09:49PM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday June 24 2018, @09:49PM (#697739) Journal

              The record speaks for itself. Nice try (not really) at distraction, but just look at history from the mid-60s onward. You're full of shit, and for the sake of anyone impressionable reading this, I am going to call you out on being full of shit. Stop pissing in the memepool.

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          • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Monday June 25 2018, @03:42AM (1 child)

            by hemocyanin (186) on Monday June 25 2018, @03:42AM (#697941) Journal

            Bill Clinton. Crime bill. Mass Incarceration. Constitutionality of slavery for convicted of crimes (13th Amendment).

            Personally, I don't like either the DNC or the GOP, but I'm sick to death of Democrats pretending to be any better than the GOP. They're worse really -- it is the GOP's job to propose right wing crap, and the Democrats' job to pass it and make it the new normal.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday June 25 2018, @05:20AM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday June 25 2018, @05:20AM (#697972) Journal

              Oh, I'm with you on that. Clinton did more to move the Overton Window to the right (that is, to the wrong) than any Republican could possibly dream of. He giftwrapped them everything they dreamed of.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:27PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:27PM (#698305)

            Yeah, yeah, we all know what happened after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Doesn't make a difference. The damn democrats aren't worth the time of day. We also know what happened when they sold their soul in '68 by giving Humphrey the nomination. Nixon wasn't the only crook that year. Republican/democrat, neither one is any good. Don't expect anything good if you keep voting for them.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 26 2018, @07:45AM (3 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @07:45AM (#698640) Journal

              Damn skippy. At this point I'm really not sure whether the threat of letting the GOP run unchecked is worth soiling my conscience further with another D vote. There really is no good choice here...

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @05:08PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @05:08PM (#698850)

                The choices are infinite, only limited by the person in the mirror. However, don't blame yourself if others don't follow. Like the man says, all choices are personal.

                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:40PM (1 child)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:40PM (#698899) Journal

                  All choices *start* personal. They don't end that way. That's the point.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @10:21PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @10:21PM (#698989)

                    That's why majority rule is no damn good. It cannot respect the life and liberty of the individual.

                    Today's world is neatly wrapped up in Lord of the Flies, but without the happy ending...