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White House press secretary Sarah Sanders was kicked out of a restaurant on Friday night because she works for President Donald Trump. A co-owner of the Red Hen in Lexington, Virginia, asked Ms Sanders and her family to leave as a protest against the Trump administration.
She told the Washington Post that she decided to ask the Trump spokeswoman to leave the 26-seat, "farm-to-table" restaurant after talking to her staff. "Tell me what you want me to do. I can ask her to leave," she said she told them. "They said yes."
The incident comes days after Homeland Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was booed at a Mexican restaurant in Washington DC. Critics of the Red Hen's decision said that it was discriminatory. However, others compared the restaurant's decision to a recent Supreme Court ruling in favour of a baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, in a case seen by many conservatives as a test for religious freedom.
WaPo - the owner of the Red Hen explains
[...] She [Ms Wilkinson (the proprietor)] knew Lexington, population 7,000, had voted overwhelmingly against Trump in a county that voted overwhelmingly for him. She knew the community was deeply divided over such issues as Confederate flags. She knew, she said, that her restaurant and its half-dozen servers and cooks had managed to stay in business for 10 years by keeping politics off the menu.
[...] It was important to Wilkinson, she said, that Sanders had already been served — that her staff had not simply refused her on sight. And it was important to her that Sanders was a public official, not just a customer with whom she disagreed, many of whom were included in her regular clientele.
"They offered to pay," Wilkinson said. "I said, 'No. It's on the house.' "
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(Score: 5, Informative) by DannyB on Monday June 25 2018, @07:07PM (70 children)
It might matter if it was done for political affiliation. It seems it was done for having an active role defending and helping formulate specific immoral actions of the Trump administration.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:10PM (57 children)
Such as?
(Score: 5, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @07:12PM (42 children)
Such as?
Kidnapping.
(but you know that, don't you)
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:15PM (38 children)
Who was kidnapped? The girl on Time magazine was kidnapped by her mother, I know that.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @07:19PM (8 children)
1 down, 2,341 to go...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:23PM (7 children)
Bogus and the bigger story is the antics of the former Trafficker in Chief. [threadreaderapp.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @07:41PM (6 children)
Whatabout whatabout...
I win.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:21PM (5 children)
Some victory. Now, what do you propose to do about the industrial scale human trafficking pipeline that Obama and the DC establishment orchestrated?
What is it with Democrats and slavery?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Knowledge Troll on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:04AM (4 children)
What the fuck are you talking about? Can you explain what you mean or at least cite some website that isn't pure shit and drivel with more useless pictures than words?
Are you able to articulate an argument or just confuse people and sound angry?
Are you the guy that tried to argue the world is flat? You sound just like that moron.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:28AM (3 children)
This [threadreaderapp.com] If you think a comprehensive breakdown linking to federal documents along the way is "pure shit and drivel" then you are the moron. So let's elaborate:
(Score: 4, Insightful) by cblood on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:46AM (1 child)
These links are all off point. These are stories about good policies that were poorly implemented, allowing some people to fall through the cracks. They are not good, but they are orders of magnitude less severe than what is currently going on. That is entirely different from the current fascist thugs who do these terrible things as POLICY.
Even as immigration has fallen to negative levels with more people leaving than coming, and event thought the actual statistics so that undocumented people have LOWER crime rate, the administration is fanning the racist theories by highlighting crimes by immigrants.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @09:04PM
These are the policies Trump is implementing.
It's called democracy, people voted to stop illegal immigration.
They don't have documentation because they are in the country illegally. There's one crime a piece for each illegal alien before we get of the starting blocks.
(Score: 2) by Knowledge Troll on Friday June 29 2018, @02:08AM
You say one thing and then provide links to another. I can't tell if you are that stupid, that crazy or someone has MITM you and adjusts your content before it makes it to the website, but it's one of those.
(Score: 3, Troll) by frojack on Monday June 25 2018, @07:38PM (27 children)
Not separated from her mother.
Kidnapped from her father in their home country by her mother.
So Time's use of the photo shopped photo is another example of Fake News. [breitbart.com]
Times cover [breitbart.com]
The Actual Image [wp.com]
Mom who kidnapped the girl, ICE agent arresting her. She was not separated from the child.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Snow on Monday June 25 2018, @07:57PM (22 children)
So essentially your argument is that because the picture didn't include a *REAL* child separated from their *REAL* mother, that locking children up on their own is okay.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 25 2018, @08:11PM (19 children)
Um, yes? It's illegal to lock kids up with adults under any other circumstance, why should them being detained for being wetbacks make a difference?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @08:57PM (14 children)
It's illegal to lock kids up with adults under any other circumstance, why should them being detained for being wetbacks make a difference?
The fact that they have NOT been convicted of a crime SHOULD make a difference.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:37PM (4 children)
No family entering the country legally has been separated.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:48AM (3 children)
Gee I feel so much better about our government traumatizing children for no good reason!
Gimme a fucking break, hide behind the law all you want but supporting these actions shows you as the soulless husk you are. These are not violent criminals, locking them up in humane conditions WITH their own children is something the US should be capable of, but apparently there are a bunch of xenophobic tards watching too much intowars/breitfart/FOXnews.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:40AM
We used to do that, but then too many people complained about putting kids in jails. So they were separated into nicer 'detention centers'. And now people are whining about the kids being separated. And as soon as they're put with their parents you'll be complaining about jailing them again. And you refuse to support good border protection. Etc...
If you don't like it then address the original problems: why people are trying to illegally enter. Don't try to address symptoms of that problem. You just end up in endless circles wasting tons of money while getting nothing accomplished. Far too many people think with their emotions instead of the brains.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Sulla on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:20AM (1 child)
How different is what is happening on the border than the first few days of daycare or school? The kid doesn't know that their parents are returning. What about extended hospital stays? Is the trauma worse than what the hospital is doing by separating them?
Maybe if you dont want your kids to be separated from you you dont break the law of a foreign country. If you want to be a refugee go to the american consolate in Mexico or where ever and follow the legal process. I am for bringing in more immigrants but against anyone violating the law to get here.
What about the guy who lives in Syria or Iraq who has been on the list for a decade? How about his family? Does that 10 years his kid grew up in Syria count less than the 30 days that kid faces on the border?
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:54PM
since you are so willing to forget the root causes of immigration that you probably are as worthless as any /pol dweller. anyway in the unlikely case you are just not that dumb start by learning about the fake war on drugs your country uses to meddle into other countries
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @11:57PM (7 children)
If I commit some random crime, for example I murder my mother-in-law, I get put in jail. Although not yet convicted, I'm still separated from my kids while awaiting trial.
So the fact that they have NOT been convicted of a crime makes no difference.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:36AM (1 child)
The separation is due to your inability to pay for bail. Thats on you, not the system.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @11:28AM
Bail is not a right. It should be declared unconstitutional, as it promotes legal inequality in exchange for money. The right to a speedy trial is guaranteed in the Constitution. Bail is extortion and bribery by the state against it's victims. If someone isn't considered a danger to the public or a flight risk while they are awaiting trial they should be free.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:13AM (3 children)
Murder is a felony, illegal entry is a misdemeanor, and poor analogy is a poor analogy.
(Score: 2) by Immerman on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:53PM (2 children)
Not to mention, is it even a misdemeanor to arrive in the US and present yourself to the proper authorities to apply for asylum? Lot of perfectly honest folks getting swept up in this racist witch-hunt.
(Score: 3, Informative) by ElizabethGreene on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:17PM (1 child)
I'm going to tag the following clearly to differentiate between fact and opinion so as not to confuse the question.
Fact: It is a crime for an alien to enter the United States at any location that is not a designated port of entry.
Supporting Evidence: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325 [cornell.edu]
Fact: Would-be asylum seekers can apply for asylum at any port of entry or any one of the 10 US Consulates and Embassies in Mexico. The ports of entry at the border are heavily loaded with asylum seekers, and have delays of up to two weeks at peak times.
Opinion: To me, it does not seem unreasonable to want some level of control or monitoring over who enters a country. Asking people to apply for asylum at the border is not unreasonable in situations other than hot pursuit too. These are malleable positions, and I'm willing to hear counterarguments to this. That said, the delay at the ports is a problem. Instead of pushing for solving the hard problems like DACA and immigration quotas, let's fix this. We could throw people and technology at the problem to make the process faster.
I also see our tiny immigration quota from south and central America as a problem. It would take more than a century to meet the current demand at today's rate. If we're going to use the stick of stricter border enforcement, we should also use the carrot of making it easier to legally immigrate.
Opinion: News coverage of this issue is written by fallible people with biases and preconceptions on both sides. Care should be taken to be sure to understand the issue before making judgements.
Supporting Evidence: Time Magazine: "Correction (Posted June 19): The original version of this story misstated what happened to the girl in the photo after she was taken from the scene. The girl was not carried away screaming by U.S. Border Patrol agents; her mother picked her up and the two were taken away together. " Source: http://time.com/longform/john-moore-getty-photo-separation/ [time.com]
(Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Tuesday June 26 2018, @05:03PM
Fact checking myself, this is incorrect. You can apply for refugee status, parole, residency, or a nonimmigrant visa at a consulate or embassy, but not amnesty.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Sulla on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:22AM
When you are only detaining people who crossed the border its hard to have anyone in your detention center who did not cross the border.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:51AM
Bullshit. It's common practice to jail suspects pending trial and you know it. You're just talking out your ass to avoid admitting you're just flat wrong.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Touché) by DannyB on Monday June 25 2018, @09:10PM (2 children)
If they walk across the border are they wetbacks? Or does that elevate them to the status of human beings?
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:29AM (1 child)
Would you prefer the term border hopper?
Quick question:
Why can't Mexico support a decent Olympic team?
Because every Mexican that can jump, run or swim is already in this country.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:24PM
How can they be a border hopper if they walk?
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:08AM
Because detainment when accused of this misdemenor vs. other misdemeanors is different?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:17PM
You want them walking through the desert alone?
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @08:46PM
Trump also wasn't actually standing their either, therefore, FAKE NEWS!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @08:32PM (2 children)
So Time's use of the photo shopped photo is another example of Fake News. [breitbart.com]
So a single picture, that the photographer never claimed was a separated child, makes the 2,342 children the administration admits to separating fake?
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:22PM (1 child)
No but this administration is not breaking the law, they're enforcing it. The Obama administration broke the law by using federal funds to pay for legal representation for illegals [cis.org] and placed a government tender for services to deal with 65.000 unaccompanied minors. [fbo.gov] How would these facilities not be classed as concentration camps?
The child traffickers need locking up, perhaps the camps can be put to good use after all?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:08PM
If crossing the boarder is a crime, why would public defenders not be an option?
(Score: 2) by deadstick on Monday June 25 2018, @11:16PM
Will you be satisfied if Time reruns the cover with one of the correct children on it?
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:10AM
Fake story and fake picture on the cover, they call it Photoshopping.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:36PM (2 children)
There's nothing wrong with your brain that a Louisville Slugger applied at 300mph wouldn't fix.
Take your SJW "mindset" and go fuck yourself.
And sleep well, in the knowledge that people like me will EAT YOUR LIVER if society disintegrates.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:39AM
a just and fitting dinner you couldn't possibly deserve of even more. bon apetit!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:52AM
Do you see the level of rhetoric?? Maybe it is just a troll post, but there is too little info in the post to make that assumption.
So cannibalism is the defense these days? Sick fuck.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday June 25 2018, @07:38PM (13 children)
We could start with concentration camps for kids and go from there.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Monday June 25 2018, @07:45PM (8 children)
We already have school kids reciting their love for the flag every morning, and I hear Amazon has good prices on dark shirts.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:48PM (3 children)
Yeah, but it's the rainbow flag now, for maximum brainwashing. Be sure to order your masks along with your dark shirts for your next Antifa riot where you beat peaceful people.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday June 25 2018, @09:34PM (1 child)
> peaceful people.
I don't agree with AntiFa starting fights, when it's usually pretty easy to get neo-nazis to step over the line first.
On the other hand, calling the other side "peaceful" is pretty shameful on your part. Let's be clear that the supremacists are on the wrong side of the values this country claims to upheld, and has so clearly demonstrated over years of political embargoes, WMD use, unconditional support for Apartheid, slavery ... sorry, what was my point going to be ? Oh, yeah, those values of equality we totally embrace, yessiree, completely, I swear...
(Score: 0, Troll) by Sulla on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:26AM
Yeah. All it took to get a neo-nazi to cause someones death was to wave a gun at him and hit his car with something. That neo-nazi that the crowd had no idea was anything but some random guy in a car sure started that fight. How dare he be driving a car, thats instigation!
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:55AM
If a human shaped object doesn't contain a brain do you consider it a "person"? My guess is the lizard people have managed to chemically lobotomize the Southern US, it probably requires sustained levels of heat cause most lizard activities require heat. Hopefully they don't discover refrigeration, if they could lobotomize the North we won't even have Canada left to save us!
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:37AM
Which was added to counter those godless heathens back after world war two.
Also don't forget the US used to use the Bellamy salute in schools up until it became well known as the symbol of naziism and it was standardized as hand over your heart, or salute for military personnel.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:44AM (2 children)
Like any of those kids care what they're saying unless someone tells them they shouldn't say it. We said it in school 27 years ago. None of us kids cared what any of the words meant, it was just one more stupid chore we had to do.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday June 26 2018, @08:01AM
If you think the systematic morning Pledge ritual, and the constant waving of flags and singing of the Anthem are totally innocent and have no effects, the rest of the world has quite a few bridges to sell you.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Immerman on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:01PM
I cared - even in grade school I knew it was wrong to take an an abusive loyalty oath you had no intention of keeping, especially when being strong-armed into it. Spent a lot of years standing with my hand over my heart, occasionally moving my mouth, just to avoid getting in trouble.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:48PM (2 children)
Taking a page from FDR?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:12PM (1 child)
Or Kim Jung-un
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday June 25 2018, @09:37PM
Putin's good ol' memories from his younger days... (before this had to be covert)
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @10:57PM
Tatoo a number on their forearm so they be identified later.
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Monday June 25 2018, @08:57PM (6 children)
Can't the restaurant owner refuse her just for the safety of her staff and patrons? Like, that her previous actions, her stated stance, and her representing the administration that would detain people who may *appear* to be illegal based on skin color, accent, facial hair or whatever, prove disruptive to the owner's ability to run a business?
Sanders' personal beliefs and stated stance is one thing, but it seems like it would be a short step to consider her having the power, connections, and precedence to call in what would in effect be a warrantless raid just before dessert.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @11:59PM (5 children)
... if they can also refuse black people for that reason. You know, the staff and patrons feel unsafe. So sorry.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:58AM (4 children)
One view is racist, the other view is individualist. I would 100% refuse service to a war criminal and tell them to fuck off, but I wouldn't do the same thing to another patron of the same race.
Is this too nuanced for you? Sanders is a lying sociopath, you can see the laughter in her eyes when she lays down a whopper. I wouldn't want my restaurant associated in any way with that lying whore.
(Score: 2, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:49AM (3 children)
The nuances come through just fine. The CTRL-LEFT approves of freedom, but only when the CTRL-LEFT likes a person. So, just like any white supremacist who hates blacks.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:49PM (1 child)
So, no, then.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:11PM
Pick up a coin, please. Doesn't matter what currency, or denomination. Just reach into your pocket, or your buddy's pocket, grab a coin. Presumably, it has some person's head on the front, and just about anything on the back. You flip it, it comes up heads, or tails. But, it's the same coin, either way, right? Go ahead, flip it. Flip it a dozen times or more. Each and every flip, you get the identical same coin back. Does it REALLY look any different if it comes up heads or tails? You get the same metallic sheen. The same denomination of the same currency. Over and over again - no matter how many times you flip that thing, it's still the same old coin.
Racism, bigotry, political differences, ethnicity, religion - on and on it goes. And, it's all the same. Yes - some leftist being prejudiced against a righty because politics - it's just another face of the same old coin. You can PRETEND to be superior, but, no, it doesn't work. All in all, you're just another prick in the wall, and your prejudices are indistinguishable from any other set of prejudices.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:12PM
So triggered you are, amusing it is. Alt right baby bitch.
(Score: 5, Funny) by Joe Desertrat on Monday June 25 2018, @09:19PM (4 children)
Someone tweeted something like "They should have taken her order like normal and then just left her waiting. Every time she asked about it they could have answered "We'll get back to you on that"."
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:35AM
Nice call. If she complains, they could tell her, "Alternatively, pick a section on the menu. We'll package something up for you, and you can take it as-is."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:01AM (1 child)
Joe just won the discussion :D
If its good for the highest office in the land its good for the lowest.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:02AM
Wait, which is which?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:55AM
Now that's fucking funny. You're already at +5 or I'd mod you up.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.