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posted by janrinok on Monday June 25 2018, @06:39PM   Printer-friendly
from the restaurant-with-bite dept.

BBC,

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders was kicked out of a restaurant on Friday night because she works for President Donald Trump. A co-owner of the Red Hen in Lexington, Virginia, asked Ms Sanders and her family to leave as a protest against the Trump administration.

She told the Washington Post that she decided to ask the Trump spokeswoman to leave the 26-seat, "farm-to-table" restaurant after talking to her staff. "Tell me what you want me to do. I can ask her to leave," she said she told them. "They said yes."

The incident comes days after Homeland Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was booed at a Mexican restaurant in Washington DC. Critics of the Red Hen's decision said that it was discriminatory. However, others compared the restaurant's decision to a recent Supreme Court ruling in favour of a baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, in a case seen by many conservatives as a test for religious freedom.

WaPo - the owner of the Red Hen explains

[...] She [Ms Wilkinson (the proprietor)] knew Lexington, population 7,000, had voted overwhelmingly against Trump in a county that voted overwhelmingly for him. She knew the community was deeply divided over such issues as Confederate flags. She knew, she said, that her restaurant and its half-dozen servers and cooks had managed to stay in business for 10 years by keeping politics off the menu.

[...] It was important to Wilkinson, she said, that Sanders had already been served — that her staff had not simply refused her on sight. And it was important to her that Sanders was a public official, not just a customer with whom she disagreed, many of whom were included in her regular clientele.

"They offered to pay," Wilkinson said. "I said, 'No. It's on the house.' "

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday June 25 2018, @07:09PM (20 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 25 2018, @07:09PM (#698287) Journal

    I think SJWs realized it is now okay that certain individuals do not have to be served by a business such as a restaurant, or a cake baker.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday June 25 2018, @07:11PM

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 25 2018, @07:11PM (#698293) Journal

    Oh . . . but the business can still claim that "they serve everyone".

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:38PM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:38PM (#698313)

    The general rule has always been that it's fine to discriminate against racists, but not races.

    Anything that a person inherently is, tends to fall under a protected status, like being a certain gender, a certain race, or, indeed, being gay. On the other hand, being an asshole is something that somebody could just choose not to be. So if you serve the public, you have an obligation to serve blacks, gays, jews, etc. But that shouldn't mean you have to serve an asshole, especially a liar like Sanders.

    • (Score: 3, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:05PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:05PM (#698385)

      But we don't really know if being gay is a choice or if it runs deeper. And we've heard stories about biological factors linked to certain people being Democrats or Republicans. So maybe the fact that Sarah Sanders supports Trump is just as much a part of her as gay people being attracted to their own gender.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @10:05AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @10:05AM (#698675)

        Sure it's a choice; A choice between being out, an impotent husband to a miserable wife, celibate, or dead.

        Honestly, pacifists died for less.

      • (Score: 1) by Newander on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:53PM

        by Newander (4850) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:53PM (#698810)

        She wasn't thrown out for being a Republican, or supporting Trump. She was thrown out for working as a member of the Trump administration to spread his lies.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by choose another one on Monday June 25 2018, @09:32PM (4 children)

      by choose another one (515) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 25 2018, @09:32PM (#698402)

      Interesting that you missed out "religion" as a protected status. Particularly since it is something that sometimes leads directly to being an asshole, and is something that somebody could just choose not to be.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:41AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:41AM (#698487)

        Lots of religions are an opt in, excommunication or bodybag out exercise, if you are following the strict fundamentalist teachings. And while we're a lot better than the past, losing access to your community in the wrong part of the country can be akin to death, as you now have no jobs, the local cops, and the community in general against you.

        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:19AM (2 children)

          by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:19AM (#698613) Homepage
          Yes, in unenlightened bronze-age shitholes. Are you saying the US is an unenlightened bronze-age shithole, as that's the legal system we're talking about here.
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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @10:31AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @10:31AM (#698678)

            Yes, in unenlightened bronze-age shitholes.

            During most of the bronze-age freedom of religion was a given. The problem was that you were also required to worship the king as a deity. Most sane religions just thrown in a cutesy prayer/BBQ once a year. Only a few of the Judeo-christians had issues with it.

            The Quakers had similar issues with sworn testimonies up until a century or two ago. Similarly anarcho-christians and Hasidic Jews won't serve dual lords so they generally refuse to acknowledge national authorities in most forms let alone serve in armed forces or take positions in governments. And there's the whole drafting of pacifists thing that had the Army sending soldiers to combat without a rifle up until the last century...

            • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday June 26 2018, @08:04PM

              by Freeman (732) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @08:04PM (#698944) Journal

              Here's a fine upstanding Conscientious Objector. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Doss [wikipedia.org] "The feature film Hacksaw Ridge, based on his life, was produced by Terry Benedict and directed by Mel Gibson."

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    • (Score: 2) by Rivenaleem on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:06PM

      by Rivenaleem (3400) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:06PM (#698701)

      Does a cake baker serve the public? Do they in fact not serve private individuals providing cakes in exchange for currency? I'm not saying I'm in favor of choosing not to serve someone because they are gay, but I think there should be a distinction between someone who serves the public (hold office) and people who provide services for money.

  • (Score: 5, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @09:07PM (1 child)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @09:07PM (#698386) Journal

    I think SJWs realized it is now okay that certain individuals do not have to be served by a business such as a restaurant, or a cake baker.

    You've got a card-carrying-liberal right here.

    Wouldn't it be more fun to debate me than your imaginary friend over there?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:00PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:00PM (#698787)

      *crickets chirping*

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by julian on Monday June 25 2018, @10:54PM (6 children)

    by julian (6003) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 25 2018, @10:54PM (#698428)

    It's still illegal for bakers (or anyone else) to refuse to serve customers because they are gay. That's not what the case was about. The victory that the baker achieved was that he didn't have to exercise his artistic expression in service to an event that goes against his religious convictions. His artistic expression was the creation of a custom decorated cake. If that gay couple had just asked to buy an already made cake, and been refused, the baker would have lost. The simple transaction of money for cake isn't protected artistic expression.

    And I actually agree with the ruling. Political beliefs are a totally different matter. Outside of DC they are not a protected class. Sarah Sanders could, any time she wants, resign and issue an apology for the harm she's done to the country as Press Sec. for this dishonest administration. She could immediately begin rehabilitating her reputation...if she cared to. You can't stop being gay, by contrast.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:47AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:47AM (#698492)

      Just find masculine women with facial hair and small tits into reciprocal anal and oral sex.

      See how easy that was? Must like just finding a job or not being an sjw/racist cupcake, it is just that easy to stop being gay. After all, plenty of us guys imagine are wives are hot women while we are fucking them and they imagine we are hot ripped hunks with that hurricane tongue or huge cock. So if those gays really wanted to they could find a man or women and pretend just as hard as the rest of us that they weren't gay. Being gay is a choice not a commitment, just like being a republican, a democrat, a pig, or an American.

      Do your part to buck the trend and imagine a different you today!

    • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by linuxrocks123 on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:53AM (3 children)

      by linuxrocks123 (2557) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:53AM (#698605) Journal

      I almost completely agree with you. I only write to correct you that it is only illegal not to serve gays in some jurisdictions. The federal Civil Rights Act actually does not make sexuality a protected class. Colorado did, but, in Texas, for instance, you can actually throw gays out of your restaurant all you want.

      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:25AM (2 children)

        by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:25AM (#698616) Homepage
        You can always use, what's it called?, parallel construction. Throw the gays out because their campness was disturbing other customers. Blacks you want to turf out? Their shirts were too loud and didn't meet your dress code. A sufficiently bigotted bigot can always find something non-protected to claim it's about.
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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:32PM (1 child)

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:32PM (#699309) Homepage Journal

          Which kind of makes me want to do away with protected classes all together. I prefer my racism honest and up-front so I can more easily shun it.

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          • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday June 27 2018, @03:01PM

            by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Wednesday June 27 2018, @03:01PM (#699325) Homepage
            Total agreement there.

            The existence of protected classes just creates a new discrimination between the protected and the non-protected, and if you're non-, then fuck you, you've got no rights! Over time, more and more distinguishers will have factions that fights to be included in the protected set, and will succeed, which will create more Goddy-gay-cake fiascos, as the protected classes battle against each other for superiority to see which class is more equal than the other.

            Eventually the only non-protected classes will be those that can't find a loud and obnoxious lobby to fight for their rights, and people who primarily identify as members of the groups making up those non-protected classes will be the victims of discrimination from all sides, as every other class knows that they can always win every battle because The Law(tm) says so.

            Yes, I know that's a slippery slope argument, but look at the situation as it currently is - it's at an incline and drenched in soapy water - this is as safe a predition as any I've seen.
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    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:21PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:21PM (#698728) Journal

      I actually agree with the ruling. Political beliefs are a totally different matter.

      Political beliefs are not the reason Sarah was asked to leave. Her specific actions and support for Trump and his immoral policies were. There is no evidence that this restaurant refuses people with a certain set of political beliefs.

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