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posted by janrinok on Monday June 25 2018, @06:39PM   Printer-friendly
from the restaurant-with-bite dept.

BBC,

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders was kicked out of a restaurant on Friday night because she works for President Donald Trump. A co-owner of the Red Hen in Lexington, Virginia, asked Ms Sanders and her family to leave as a protest against the Trump administration.

She told the Washington Post that she decided to ask the Trump spokeswoman to leave the 26-seat, "farm-to-table" restaurant after talking to her staff. "Tell me what you want me to do. I can ask her to leave," she said she told them. "They said yes."

The incident comes days after Homeland Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was booed at a Mexican restaurant in Washington DC. Critics of the Red Hen's decision said that it was discriminatory. However, others compared the restaurant's decision to a recent Supreme Court ruling in favour of a baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, in a case seen by many conservatives as a test for religious freedom.

WaPo - the owner of the Red Hen explains

[...] She [Ms Wilkinson (the proprietor)] knew Lexington, population 7,000, had voted overwhelmingly against Trump in a county that voted overwhelmingly for him. She knew the community was deeply divided over such issues as Confederate flags. She knew, she said, that her restaurant and its half-dozen servers and cooks had managed to stay in business for 10 years by keeping politics off the menu.

[...] It was important to Wilkinson, she said, that Sanders had already been served — that her staff had not simply refused her on sight. And it was important to her that Sanders was a public official, not just a customer with whom she disagreed, many of whom were included in her regular clientele.

"They offered to pay," Wilkinson said. "I said, 'No. It's on the house.' "

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Snow on Monday June 25 2018, @07:57PM (22 children)

    by Snow (1601) on Monday June 25 2018, @07:57PM (#698336) Journal

    So essentially your argument is that because the picture didn't include a *REAL* child separated from their *REAL* mother, that locking children up on their own is okay.

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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 25 2018, @08:11PM (19 children)

    Um, yes? It's illegal to lock kids up with adults under any other circumstance, why should them being detained for being wetbacks make a difference?

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @08:57PM (14 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @08:57PM (#698374) Journal

      It's illegal to lock kids up with adults under any other circumstance, why should them being detained for being wetbacks make a difference?

      The fact that they have NOT been convicted of a crime SHOULD make a difference.

      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:37PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:37PM (#698408)

        No family entering the country legally has been separated.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:48AM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:48AM (#698493)

          Gee I feel so much better about our government traumatizing children for no good reason!

          Gimme a fucking break, hide behind the law all you want but supporting these actions shows you as the soulless husk you are. These are not violent criminals, locking them up in humane conditions WITH their own children is something the US should be capable of, but apparently there are a bunch of xenophobic tards watching too much intowars/breitfart/FOXnews.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:40AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:40AM (#698600)

            We used to do that, but then too many people complained about putting kids in jails. So they were separated into nicer 'detention centers'. And now people are whining about the kids being separated. And as soon as they're put with their parents you'll be complaining about jailing them again. And you refuse to support good border protection. Etc...

            If you don't like it then address the original problems: why people are trying to illegally enter. Don't try to address symptoms of that problem. You just end up in endless circles wasting tons of money while getting nothing accomplished. Far too many people think with their emotions instead of the brains.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Sulla on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:20AM (1 child)

            by Sulla (5173) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:20AM (#698614) Journal

            How different is what is happening on the border than the first few days of daycare or school? The kid doesn't know that their parents are returning. What about extended hospital stays? Is the trauma worse than what the hospital is doing by separating them?

            Maybe if you dont want your kids to be separated from you you dont break the law of a foreign country. If you want to be a refugee go to the american consolate in Mexico or where ever and follow the legal process. I am for bringing in more immigrants but against anyone violating the law to get here.

            What about the guy who lives in Syria or Iraq who has been on the list for a decade? How about his family? Does that 10 years his kid grew up in Syria count less than the 30 days that kid faces on the border?

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:54PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:54PM (#698782)

              since you are so willing to forget the root causes of immigration that you probably are as worthless as any /pol dweller. anyway in the unlikely case you are just not that dumb start by learning about the fake war on drugs your country uses to meddle into other countries

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @11:57PM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @11:57PM (#698456)

        If I commit some random crime, for example I murder my mother-in-law, I get put in jail. Although not yet convicted, I'm still separated from my kids while awaiting trial.

        So the fact that they have NOT been convicted of a crime makes no difference.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:36AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:36AM (#698477)

          The separation is due to your inability to pay for bail. Thats on you, not the system.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @11:28AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @11:28AM (#698695)

            Bail is not a right. It should be declared unconstitutional, as it promotes legal inequality in exchange for money. The right to a speedy trial is guaranteed in the Constitution. Bail is extortion and bribery by the state against it's victims. If someone isn't considered a danger to the public or a flight risk while they are awaiting trial they should be free.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:13AM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:13AM (#698537)

          Murder is a felony, illegal entry is a misdemeanor, and poor analogy is a poor analogy.

          • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:53PM (2 children)

            by Immerman (3985) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:53PM (#698752)

            Not to mention, is it even a misdemeanor to arrive in the US and present yourself to the proper authorities to apply for asylum? Lot of perfectly honest folks getting swept up in this racist witch-hunt.

            • (Score: 3, Informative) by ElizabethGreene on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:17PM (1 child)

              by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:17PM (#698829) Journal

              is it even a misdemeanor to arrive in the US and present yourself to the proper authorities to apply for asylum?

              I'm going to tag the following clearly to differentiate between fact and opinion so as not to confuse the question.

              Fact: It is a crime for an alien to enter the United States at any location that is not a designated port of entry.
              Supporting Evidence: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325 [cornell.edu]

              Fact: Would-be asylum seekers can apply for asylum at any port of entry or any one of the 10 US Consulates and Embassies in Mexico. The ports of entry at the border are heavily loaded with asylum seekers, and have delays of up to two weeks at peak times.

              Opinion: To me, it does not seem unreasonable to want some level of control or monitoring over who enters a country. Asking people to apply for asylum at the border is not unreasonable in situations other than hot pursuit too. These are malleable positions, and I'm willing to hear counterarguments to this. That said, the delay at the ports is a problem. Instead of pushing for solving the hard problems like DACA and immigration quotas, let's fix this. We could throw people and technology at the problem to make the process faster.

              I also see our tiny immigration quota from south and central America as a problem. It would take more than a century to meet the current demand at today's rate. If we're going to use the stick of stricter border enforcement, we should also use the carrot of making it easier to legally immigrate.

              Opinion: News coverage of this issue is written by fallible people with biases and preconceptions on both sides. Care should be taken to be sure to understand the issue before making judgements.
              Supporting Evidence: Time Magazine: "Correction (Posted June 19): The original version of this story misstated what happened to the girl in the photo after she was taken from the scene. The girl was not carried away screaming by U.S. Border Patrol agents; her mother picked her up and the two were taken away together. " Source: http://time.com/longform/john-moore-getty-photo-separation/ [time.com]

              • (Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Tuesday June 26 2018, @05:03PM

                by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 26 2018, @05:03PM (#698849) Journal

                Fact: Would-be asylum seekers can apply for asylum at any port of entry or any one of the 10 US Consulates and Embassies in Mexico.

                Fact checking myself, this is incorrect. You can apply for refugee status, parole, residency, or a nonimmigrant visa at a consulate or embassy, but not amnesty.

        • (Score: 0, Troll) by Sulla on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:22AM

          by Sulla (5173) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:22AM (#698615) Journal

          When you are only detaining people who crossed the border its hard to have anyone in your detention center who did not cross the border.

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      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:51AM

        Bullshit. It's common practice to jail suspects pending trial and you know it. You're just talking out your ass to avoid admitting you're just flat wrong.

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    • (Score: 5, Touché) by DannyB on Monday June 25 2018, @09:10PM (2 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 25 2018, @09:10PM (#698388) Journal

      If they walk across the border are they wetbacks? Or does that elevate them to the status of human beings?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:29AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:29AM (#698517)

        If they walk across the border are they wetbacks? Or does that elevate them to the status of human beings?

        Would you prefer the term border hopper?

        Quick question:
        Why can't Mexico support a decent Olympic team?
        Because every Mexican that can jump, run or swim is already in this country.

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:24PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:24PM (#698731) Journal

          How can they be a border hopper if they walk?

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:08AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:08AM (#698534)

      Because detainment when accused of this misdemenor vs. other misdemeanors is different?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:17PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:17PM (#698346)

    You want them walking through the desert alone?

  • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @08:46PM

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @08:46PM (#698369) Journal

    Trump also wasn't actually standing their either, therefore, FAKE NEWS!