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UK criticised over role in US rendition
The Intelligence and Security Committee said British agencies continued to supply intelligence to allies despite knowing or suspecting abuse in more than 200 cases.
Committee chairman Dominic Grieve said agencies knew of incidents that were "plainly unlawful".
The findings have sparked fresh calls for an independent, judge-led inquiry.
The two parliamentary reports, published following a three-year investigation, examine how far Britain's intelligence agencies were aware of the mistreatment of terrorism suspects.
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 01 2018, @04:19AM (10 children)
He is mistaken. There is nothing unlawful. This isn't even the case of spying on each other and then trading, bypassing US laws against domestic spying. Nope. It's straight up doing their jobs.
I can hardly conceive of "mistreatment of terrorism suspects". I suppose if they were truly mere suspects, who happen to somehow not have been involved in numerous crimes, then maybe OK... but realistically, the only possible mistreatment is any sort of kindness.
Generally, they need to get some sort of treatment that is miserable. You want to make the suffering lengthy. You want to make it embarrassing, painful, and religiously offensive. You want to make them feel that they will be made unfit for Heaven. (killed by woman, killed while touching a pig, killed by a left-handed person, etc.) You want to make other people see it and feel that it is likely if they too misbehave.
For example, have a left-handed woman stitch their mouth to a pig's anus.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by mhajicek on Sunday July 01 2018, @04:25AM
You are a big part of the problem. Unless and until a person is tried and convicted, with concrete evidence, in a fair trial, they are "mere suspects" and nothing more. Yet without trial or evidence the US government will hold people indefinitely, without charge or legal representation, and quite literally torture them, sometimes until death.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 4, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday July 01 2018, @04:32AM
I try not to judge this stuff usually, but man, you have some *weird* tastes in porn...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Whoever on Sunday July 01 2018, @04:42AM
You are happy to be shipped off to Gitmo, tortured, all because your neighbor told some lies about you?
I presume you are relying on your white privilege to ensure this never happens.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 01 2018, @06:47AM
Eww. Leftovers from the Bush administration. Better get that cleaned up.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 01 2018, @07:41AM (1 child)
Those smart pills you've been taking? They are actually rabbit feces, which has caused you to develop shit for brains.
Dude at Guantanamo? He was just a fucking limo driver. They put him in a prison, filled with (maybe) real terrorists, just for having the audacity to drive some dude around in a car. Guilt by association, and trial by fire, and all that happy nonsense.
https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bin-ladens-driver-freed-guantanamo/story?id=16757877 [go.com]
There were others detained just for being in a warzone. Seriously - our side goes to some foreign land, starts shooting some people we don't like, and arrest some random fools who happen to live there, and got caught in the crossfire.
And, have you not read ANY of the statements by CIA people that torture hasn't given them any useful information? I'm not going to bother - you most probably don't want to learn, can't be forced to learn. But, if you care to learn, just put "torture ineffective" into a search engine. Large numbers of intel personnel have been quoted, showing that it just doesn't work.
The closest thing to torture that actually works, is the good cop, bad cop routine. I interview the guy, and promise retribution on his family. You interview him soon afterward, and tell him what an asshole I am, and that you'll prevent me from visiting his family. You share a smoke and a coke with him, talk about his plans for the future - make friends. He'll talk to you, because he really needs a friend.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Whoever on Sunday July 01 2018, @03:27PM
That depends on the meaning of "works". If you want a confession, irrespective of the truth, yes that (plus other forms of torture) work.
If you want truthful information, torture generally doesn't work. Especially when you are torturing someone who knows nothing.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by bradley13 on Sunday July 01 2018, @08:18AM
You want to make the suffering lengthy. You want to make it embarrassing, painful, and religiously offensive.
Um...why? Seriously, "making people suffer" has one primary effect: it damages you and your culture. It doesn't make their past acts go away.
If you want to prevent proven terrorists from committing horrible acts in the future, then either lock them up or execute them. What's the point in making them suffer? Vengeance? As a small child, did you enjoy pulling the legs off of insects?
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday July 01 2018, @01:12PM (2 children)
Perhaps it would be advisable to use a </sarcasm> tag? Poe's law and all that...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 01 2018, @08:24PM (1 child)
Just give him a 'Funny' mod...
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday July 02 2018, @12:51AM
We were not amused (grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford