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posted by martyb on Sunday July 01 2018, @09:00PM   Printer-friendly
from the 'Good-fences-make-good-neighbors'-/-Mending-Wall-/-Robert-Frost dept.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-mexico-border-history-photos-2017-4:

One of the Trump administration's latest immigration policies has come under fire, after Homeland Security figures revealed that ICE is separating families at the US-Mexico border.

Between May 5 and June 9, border officials separated more than 2,300 children from 2,206 parents, the DHS said Tuesday. The policy, Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced in early May, enforces "zero-tolerance" regulations on those who enter the US without documentation. Any migrant who attempts to cross the southern border — even those seeking asylum — is now being prosecuted.

Following mounting pressure from both sides of the aisle, Trump signed an executive order that he said will stop family separation at the border. But the fate of immigrant children already in custody remains unclear, and the order still faces legal obstacles.

The goal of establishing a firm physical boundary to separate the US from Mexico is nothing new. In the country that has the world's largest immigrant population, American presidential administrations have tried tightening security along the border for around a century.

Though the divide was formally established in 1824, the US didn't launch its official Border Patrol until 1924. Inspection and holding stations were created after that, followed by the construction of miles of fences with barbed wire and steel barriers over the next few decades.

The included pictures and captions speak of the changing attitudes towards Mexicans and their efforts to cross the border over the years.


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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by BsAtHome on Sunday July 01 2018, @09:56PM (24 children)

    by BsAtHome (889) on Sunday July 01 2018, @09:56PM (#701069)

    Maybe you are doing it wrong, hoping to get Mexico to pay for the wall. Maybe you should do what USA has been so very good at and get capitalism to solve the problem.

    There should be a CocaCola and Pepsi wall section, a Google wall section, an Exxon section. Several many miles could be covered by Pharmacy Giants - see the wall, get an opiate pill (advise) for free. The possibilities are limitless! Think about the possibility of an Amazon section with a warehouse build on the right/wrong side!

    Yes, my friends, capitalism will save you all from the Mexicans. I'm absolutely sure of it.

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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 01 2018, @10:18PM (18 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 01 2018, @10:18PM (#701078)

    Maybe you are doing it wrong, hoping to get Mexico to pay for the wall. Maybe you should do what USA has been so very good at and get capitalism to solve the problem.

    Well, considering the "problem" is "how can I get someone else to pay for only the second man-made object to be visible from the Moon?" I'm not sure capitalism is going to raise its hand and offer up the billions. Especially when the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue wants his name to be put on it. He is counting on the same naming result as the ACA ended up with.

    Getting Mexico to pay for it is just to rile up his base. Getting his name on an object that will outlast his term in office is solely to satisfy his ego.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday July 01 2018, @10:25PM (17 children)

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday July 01 2018, @10:25PM (#701084) Homepage

      He may be doing it for ego, but he is still doing us a big favor. The Democratic party, now in shambles, is going all-in on weaponized immigration and betting on the Mexicans to replenish their dwindling numbers. And, as any American knows, there is no shortage of Mexicans.

      And so families are being separated. So fucking what? Don't like being locked in cages? Don't break our damn laws, assholes! White American citizens get locked in cages and have their kids taken from them when they break laws. What is really needed besides a wall are Hellfire-armed drones launching strikes to bug-splat anybody trying to illegally cross our borders.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 01 2018, @11:55PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 01 2018, @11:55PM (#701104)

        We don't need Hellfire-armed drones. All we need is a wall, then a hundred meter no-man's-land zone, then a fence, then a minefield for another hundred meters, then another fence, then an access road, then another fence, and then another wall -- along every inch of the border. With guard turrets every so often filled with sharpshooters who will shoot to kill anyone, even the photogenic small children who will be shoved over the wall for propaganda purposes. Once.

        Oh, and the guards will also shoot anyone who tries to get over the inner-most wall from the U.S. side, like protestors will try to do. Once.

        There might be a problem with the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, which is on the border in Arizona. Simply ask the tribe which side of the walls they wish to be on.

        Sadly, none of this is likely to happen. We don't seem to have the will to identify correctly that our country is being systematically invaded, and to kill the invaders as they deserve. These aren't criminal acts that should involve arrest and a court hearing. They're invading -- kill them. (and by showing we're serious, people will stop coming, and then fewer people will die in the U.S. deserts, and fewer people including children will be raped and murdered by human traffickers)

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @02:02AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @02:02AM (#701147)

          ...and don't forget that northern border.

          Jogger without ID detained for 2 weeks [kgmi.com]

          A 19-year-old woman who traveled from France to Canada to visit her mother in British Columbia says U.S. officials detained her for two weeks after she accidentally crossed the border while jogging.

          It's abundantly clear that these trespassers should be murdered on sight.
          Proportionality and all that, y'know.

          .
          It's just amazing how many USAians have seen WAY too many cops & robbers movies from the 1930s and believe that it's OK to just blaze away at someone who is absolutely no threat.

          I believe it has something to do with an undersized penis.

          -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

          • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Monday July 02 2018, @03:24AM (1 child)

            by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Monday July 02 2018, @03:24AM (#701175) Homepage Journal

            Believe me, we're having big problems with Canada. Billions of dollars gets brought into Canada through the border. We get the killers, drugs & crime, they get the money! As your President, I have instructed my Border Patrol to set up Highway Checkpoints. In Maine, in New Hampshire, in many places. To stop the drugs, to stop the guns, to stop the terrorists!!!

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @03:35AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @03:35AM (#701181)

              Even before Donald J. Trump Sr became a senile old fart, he was a nitwit with a serious personality disorder.

              -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @12:09AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @12:09AM (#701111)

        Democrats aren't just importing Mexicans (and other Central/South Americans) to replenish their dwindling numbers of voters. Their leaders also want the poor little children to be set free from the holding centers, so that the deliveries of the leaders' sex poppets can be completed. Those Democrats paid for those children, damn it, and they want what they paid for!

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @03:08AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @03:08AM (#701169)

          ...who don't have a majority in the House or Senate, or on SCOTUS, and who don't currently occupy the White House.

          deliveries of [...] sex poppets

          Again, the GOP has complete control of the Executive Branch.
          If those Trumpians were doing their fucking jobs properly, the people to whom those youngsters are being turned over would have been vetted.
          ...and the sex traffickers|child labor abusers wouldn't have those kids.

          ...which is not to say that the Donkeys were doing a glowing job WRT immigration when they had the gig.
          ...but, geez. Orders of magnitude difference from today.

          -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @09:04AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @09:04AM (#701246)

            If those Trumpians were doing their fucking jobs properly, the people to whom those youngsters are being turned over would have been vetted.
            ...and the sex traffickers|child labor abusers wouldn't have those kids.

            The traffickers are active in Mexico and ICE are doing their jobs.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @12:10AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @12:10AM (#701112)

        Still sounding stupid. Good job!

      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @12:47AM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @12:47AM (#701125)

        Who do you think is picking the produce, working in the meat packing plants, washing the cars, reshingling the roofs in the August sun, changing the baby's diapers, cleaning the motel rooms, and busing the tables so you can sit down?

        That's right. It's first-generation USAians working for cutthroat Capitalists who are trying to maximize profits by minimizing costs.
        ...and the nastier the job, the more likely that it is being done by someone who is undocumented.

        Don't break our damn laws

        Clearly, you don't even know what the law is.
        Here that is: Anyone can apply for asylum at any port of entry.

        If the buildings were right on the USA border, this wouldn't even be a thing.
        ...but since they're set back by 100 yards, there is a no-man's land that has to be crossed and Drumpf and his stooges are subverting the law and intercepting people on their way to do something that is within their rights.
        ...then Drumpf points to his own law breaking and gets idiots like you to cheer his criminality.

        BTW, violating USA's border is a misdemeanor--like shoplifting a pack of gum.
        Even when interceptions are valid, this jackboot stuff is out of all proportion.

        .
        The fact is that immigrants in USA are more law-abiding than native-born USAians. [washingtonpost.com]

        ...and these folks seeking asylum are from places where USA has subverted Democracy via coups and other regime-change activities, arming their militaries and training them in torture and terrorism.
        ...not to mention USA's idiotic failed War on Drugs and how it has spilled over into those places.
        (MS13 was founded in USA.)

        assholes!

        The assholes who are violating the law WRT asylum seekers are the Drumpf administration.

        .
        ...and "damn" is a noun or a verb.
        When used as an adjective or adverb, the word is "damned".
        Nitwit.

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Monday July 02 2018, @01:55AM (2 children)

          by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Monday July 02 2018, @01:55AM (#701142) Homepage

          My country sucks, I think I'll just abuse asylum laws to move to a better country, like Canada, or Germany, or Sweden, or...oh, wait.

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @02:27AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @02:27AM (#701154)

            It's even easier than you know.
            Just get a student visa.
            They'll take you and even give you a publicly-funded education.
            Wouldn't surprise me if the the people you encounter there speak better English that the dull-witted USAians with whom you hang out.

            I'll just abuse asylum laws

            Even if they saw things that way in those places (which I seriously doubt), I'm confident they'd not even raise an eyebrow--especially with your White Privilege, which you constantly overlook.

            Pretty sure you wouldn't get the third degree in the way that USAians Fascists have been overreacting since 9/11--in particular since Drumpf.

            -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @04:45PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @04:45PM (#701451)

            You wouldn't pass the IQ test to get into any other country.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @02:26AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @02:26AM (#701153)

          >Who do you think is picking the produce, working in the meat packing plants, washing the cars, reshingling the roofs in the August sun, changing the baby's diapers, cleaning the motel rooms, and busing the tables so you can sit down?

          So racist... I can't even.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @02:33AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @02:33AM (#701158)

            You might be dangerous--if you had a brain.

            -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @03:57AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @03:57AM (#701192)

          You can apply for asylum at any US consulate or embassy. We have them all over the world, including 9 in Mexico. You don't have to break our law to get asylum.

          Asylum is for stuff like a government that persecutes you for your religion or ethnicity. Ordinary stuff, like poverty and gang violence, doesn't qualify.

          Asylum must be applied for in the first safe country you reach. Canada and Mexico are both considered safe countries (not going to genocide you) so you normally don't qualify for asylum in the USA if you pass through one of them. (you are free to try convincing us that one of them is trying to exterminate you however; good luck with that)

          You are purposely mixing up illegal aliens with legal immigrants when you say that immigrants are more law-abiding. That is a lot of tech workers. Even ignoring the crime of improperly entering the country, illegal aliens are far more prone to crime. Nearly all of them commit identity theft, typically a felony.

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @04:37AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @04:37AM (#701199)

            That's up to a judge.
            Someone getting sent back to certain death is definitely a mitigating circumstance.

            Trumpians taking the judges out of the loop is a major violation of the due process guaranteed by the Constitution.
            ...and in determining who may not be deprived of due process, the Constitution does NOT say "no US citizen"; it says NO PERSON.

            -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday July 02 2018, @05:39PM

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday July 02 2018, @05:39PM (#701490) Journal

        White American citizens get locked in cages and have their kids taken from them when they break laws.

        Not for trespassing they don't.

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 01 2018, @10:22PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 01 2018, @10:22PM (#701081)

    Or cut all aid to Mexico, and every country the people ILLEGALLY crossing are from. That'll pay for it. While they're at it... Build a huge sewage pump station in San Diego to pump Tijuana's shitwater back into Mexico. Tijuana's sewage has been polluting San Diego's coastline with absolutely no concern from Mexico.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday July 01 2018, @10:27PM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday July 01 2018, @10:27PM (#701085) Homepage

      And out in the Imperial Valley, we have the New River, the most polluted river in North America. How'd it get so nasty? Yep, you guessed it, it's because is flows into America from Mexicali.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @01:23AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @01:23AM (#701132)

    What about the taggers?

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Monday July 02 2018, @03:48AM (1 child)

    by hemocyanin (186) on Monday July 02 2018, @03:48AM (#701187) Journal

    You really think companies that benefit from the downward pressure immigration/offshoring puts on wages, would actually want to do that?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @05:21PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 02 2018, @05:21PM (#701474)

      I think that the people who run those companies don't want to get sent to prison where they will be raped five times a day.

      I've long advocated that those who employ the illegal invaders be punished. My proposal, which applies to single-owner lawn care services as well as multi-national corporate giants:

      First offense (that is, first time getting caught employing illegals): fined in the amount of (# illegals hired) x (average salary per year for those workers if they were American) = fine. IOW, if you get caught employing 20 illegals, your fine is their yearly salary times 20. Does that bankrupt you? Good.

      Second offense: fined in the amount of 3 years of company revenue (not profit), and all owners (if small single owner company) and/or C-level execs (for the big corporations) are personally fined whatever their last 5 years of total compensation in any form. Does that bankrupt you? Good.

      Third offense: all assets of the company seized and sold at public auction with the money going to the public treasury. All owners and/or C-level execs are thrown in prison for X number of years, where X is the number of illegals employed. (Small lawn care guy who didn't get the message before and hired 2 illegals? 2 years in jail. Tyson chicken processing plant yet again found employing hundreds of illegals? All the C-level execs of Tyson rot in jail for the rest of their lives.) Anyone who gets out of prison is barred for life from owning or operating any company or business.

      Fourth offense: in this unlikely event, public execution.

      Of course, this will never happen because companies will bribe the Congressscum to block any such measures. Which is why democracies always devolve into dictatorships, because people get tired of nothing getting done in democracies due to all the competing interest groups. So they put in a dictator (or let one take over) in order to get shit done that needs doing. (I am not advocating dictatorship, only predicting it)