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Judge slams Tacoma for not releasing stingray records
A judge in Washington state has excoriated the Tacoma Police Department for withholding public records pertaining to its use of cell-site simulators, also known as stingrays. Back in 2016, the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington state sued the TPD on behalf of four community leaders, arguing that the department has not adequately responded to their public records requests concerning the use of stingrays, which included asking for a blank form authorizing its use.
"The [Public Records Act] establishes a positive duty to disclose public records unless they fall within specific exemptions," Judge G. Helen Whitener wrote in her Monday opinion. "This mandates that the City, upon receiving a request for documents, must first do an adequate search and then must produce the documents requested if there is not an exemption. The PRA does not require the City to analyze the reasons why the document is requested or to determine the relevance of the documents requested even if they are blank forms. The blank form taken in context of the other forms may have meaning to the requestor, and it is not for the City to analyze its relevance. To adopt the City's interpretation of the PRA would defeat the broad mandate of the PRA to allow access to public records not covered by and exemption."
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 02 2018, @09:45PM (9 children)
How many years ago did you hear that statistic? /sarc
(Score: 5, Interesting) by edIII on Monday July 02 2018, @11:16PM (8 children)
I know you're being sarcastic, but it was this weekend. When I hear it on a normal basis from angry posts on the Internet, I don't put all that much stock into it. Then again, when I hear it from prominent pundits, journalists, and polls.....
The violence in Portland this weekend was only the beginning, and portends much, much, more violence in the future. There is no civility left, and unsurprisingly, Orange Anus isn't the leader to unite us again. He divides by his very nature, and I think doesn't even truly understand the meaning of peace anyways. He foments discord, and gives support to White Nationalists and idiots like the Proud Boys that relish the violence. For every 1 person that shows up, there are 10 that were thinking about it, and probably just a moment or two away from joining a side.
The issues that divide us are irreconcilable differences. I will never consent to concentration camps for children, where they are psychologically tortured, and apparently the other side's response is a gleeful "Womp Womp!" to the extreme pain of mothers and children. That's just one issue, and I would like to say the rest are identity politics bullshit with the "Left" that can be dismissed as crazy, but they are not.
Add enough of these differences, no hope, no movement towards civility, bad economy (it's not good for the Middle Class), and you have what foments a civil war. I wish I could remember, but there was a conservative speaker in the group saying the only other time in history that was comparable, were the 10 years before the civil war. Point being, both sides of the aisle are foaming at the mouth for it.
No. No sarcasm at all here Khallow. Most people are beginning to believe it, and you're original whining about "your society collapsing" is happening around you now. Good luck, and there is no sarcasm tag at the end of this. This society is broken at the most fundamental levels, and we passed the point of return sometime ago I fear.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by frojack on Tuesday July 03 2018, @01:34AM
We see it here on SN every time you post.
We don't put any stock in it either.
Should have occurred to you that those people are seething with the same rage you are. They've lied to you for years, yet you believe them now?
In case you haven't noticed (I'm sure you refuse to believe it), but the mid course correction to the series of self serving corrupt and obsequious political administrations has already been elected. And he's going to win again in 2020. With a bigger margin. Even Michael Moore sees that.
He may not have the smooth elegance of the guy who pulled the rug over your eyes for the last 8 years, but sometimes you need a patriot instead of diplomat.
Even those people who "Ran On Rage" are seeing the light. [chicagotribune.com]
Its time for you to work on your rage. Before it kills you.
But I suspect my concern for your health will just trigger another episode. It always seems to do that.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday July 03 2018, @05:56PM (1 child)
It was Rasmussen (which uses a very questionable methodology) and it was 'only' 31%.
Poll: Almost a third of US voters think a second civil war is coming soon [usatoday.com]
So it's more like 31% of old Republicans believe this.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday July 06 2018, @11:48AM
Republicans were 32% actually. Democrats were 37%. Unaffiliated voters were at 26%.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday July 05 2018, @04:25AM (4 children)
No, just a whole lot of stupidity.
31% is a bit shy of "most". And if one actually looks at the history of civil wars rather than take a single poll out of context (would you ever have paid attention to conservative-oriented Rasmussen, if it didn't confirm your bias?), one finds a history of blood and conflict missing from the present.
You call that uncivil? You call that a bad economy (the upper classes grew more than the lower classes did)? The actual Civil War had some pretty crazy bullshit, such as a political compromise that encouraged paramilitary fighting. If you don't really want a civil war, then maybe you should pay attention what caused the previous one.
(Score: 2) by edIII on Thursday July 05 2018, @06:35PM (3 children)
Have you noticed I was doing my best to be civil with you? Perhaps I don't want one, and civility begins here. It's not stupidity at this point, and if you want to throw that around, there is plenty of it on all sides. Of course, I do realize who has been most uncivil, and I'm trying.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday July 06 2018, @12:07PM (2 children)
If you really are interested in being civil, you can do better than your best.
Psychology is a weird thing. You might think you don't want conflict, revolution, or whatnot. Yet what do we see of SN subjects that engages you? Again and again, this is where you gravitate. And how much do you think about avoiding such conflict and understanding the issues that drive those conflicts?
The oxygen for these movements could have been removed long ago with sensible immigration and economic policy. Not all differences need to be reconciled. But when differences are intentionally cultivated, you get permanent conflict.
Similarly, any sort of understanding would have helped. Too often, any sort of understanding of other peoples' agendas or interests is considered agreement with it. This sort of marginalizing behavior does more to create division than the irreconcilable differences do. Too often, I point out some issue that the other side (be it white nationalists, Islamicists, or other unpopular groups) happens to be concerned about, and a post starts with "So what you think is" and then devolves into a complete straw man.
Which, let us note, is not much [foxnews.com] of a beginning. Four people got arrested and there were multiple assaults. How does that compare to a routine sports game?
(Score: 2) by edIII on Friday July 06 2018, @07:27PM (1 child)
I will endeavour to do better, and I appreciate your comments.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday July 07 2018, @01:33AM