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People in the past were not all dead by 30. Ancient documents confirm this. In the 24th century BCE, the Egyptian Vizier Ptahhotep wrote verses about the disintegrations of old age. The ancient Greeks classed old age among the divine curses, and their tombstones attest to survival well past 80 years. Ancient artworks and figurines also depict elderly people: stooped, flabby, wrinkled.
This is not the only type of evidence, however. Studies on extant traditional people who live far away from modern medicines and markets, such as Tanzania's Hadza or Brazil's Xilixana Yanomami, have demonstrated that the most likely age at death is far higher than most people assume: it's about 70 years old. One study found that although there are differences in rates of death in various populations and periods, especially with regards to violence, there is a remarkable similarity between the mortality profiles of various traditional peoples.
High infant mortality and inaccuracy at the other end of the age range skew the numbers.
(Score: 3, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday July 18 2018, @03:03AM (9 children)
Read the bible - people in ancient times lived to 900+ years old. It's in the bible...
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(Score: 1) by anubi on Wednesday July 18 2018, @05:58AM (8 children)
Anyone know at what point in time we defined what a "year" is? Was it before Moses? Could it have been confused with a lunar cycle? I read that there was a lot of confusion regarding Kepler, Copernicus, and Galieo before we got our celestial mechanics nailed down.
Sure, we have a pretty exact definition of what a year is... did "they" have that same definition? I guess I have to cite really old things like Stonehenge as evidence of earlier understanding of solar cycles, and I still do not know if Stonehenge and earlier stone "temples" were constructed with observing solar phenomena in mind, even though they can be used for that purpose. We sure seem to have a lot of unexplained mysteries in our past. Sure makes me wonder if life on this planet was seeded by an ancient spacefaring race.
My guess is we will find the answer on the moon.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday July 18 2018, @10:32AM (7 children)
As with all things, it does often get lost in the translation... those high biblical ages do seem more likely to be lunar cycles than solar cycles, but that sounds like too much science for a Sunday morning.
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday July 18 2018, @02:51PM (6 children)
The Hebrew Calendar is a good place to start, if you really want to go down that road. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar [wikipedia.org]
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You can either take the bible as truth or you can dismiss it. The bible is clear that you can't sit on the fence and expect that since you didn't do anything horrible that you'll be saved.
Revelation 3:15-16 KJV "15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+3:14-22 [biblegateway.com] (This defaulted to the NIV for me instead of the KJV, but the semicolons in the version part of the link were breaking something.)
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday July 18 2018, @04:20PM
I really think a middle ground (probably strongly slanted to the skeptics' side) is a better use of the information. It is a long developed record of certain information that the holders of that information thought worthy to pass along, there's great insight into the human condition within the pages (for instance, try an online searchable bible and look for marriage - the two passages you hear at weddings are there, as well as about 50 others that describe misery, murder, and all sorts of unpleasantness associated with the institution...)
Quoting scripture without careful introspection of what you are trying to say and why is a great way to set my BS filter to max, but if you can draw connections to real life it doesn't hurt as a starting point for understanding and confirmation that you're not just living in an anomaly.
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(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday July 19 2018, @06:33AM (4 children)
If this looks like it might be a soylent bug, please tell us more. Just recently, I've looked at the automatic linkifying code, in particular with respect to how it treats punctuation, maybe I have broken something. Either reply here, or hop onto #dev on the IRC server, and you can tell us how to reproduce the issue.
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday July 19 2018, @07:24PM
I posted an example of the problem in the dev channel. Not sure anyone was there.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday July 19 2018, @07:28PM (2 children)
https://logs.sylnt.us/#dev/2018-07-19.html [sylnt.us] Has the link example that showed up broken when I chose preview, before I submitted my comment.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday July 19 2018, @10:10PM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday July 19 2018, @10:30PM
Explanation at https://dev.soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=18/05/01/117209&page=1&noupdate=1#comment_31539
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