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posted by mrpg on Thursday July 19 2018, @10:30AM   Printer-friendly
from the RIP dept.

DW:

New DNA tests on bones of Russia's last czar, Nicholas II, and his family confirm they are authentic. Researchers exhumed Nicholas's father Alexander III — himself assassinated in 1881 — to prove "they are father and son."

The test results could lead to the Russian Orthodox Church recognizing the remains for a full burial. It said it would consider the findings and commended the progress of the investigation.

Nicholas II, his German-born wife and their five children were shot by Bolsheviks as a consequence of the October Revolution of 1917. The bodies of the last members of the Romanov dynasty were thrown into a mineshaft, before being burned and hurriedly buried by the killers. They were first tracked down by amateur historians in 1979, although the discovery was only revealed in 1991. The Russian Orthodox Church had recognized the ex-tsar as a martyred saint in 1981.

[Ed. note: Anastasia's supposed escape and possible survival was one of the most popular historical mysteries of the 20th century, False reports of survival]


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  • (Score: 2, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 19 2018, @02:18PM (6 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 19 2018, @02:18PM (#709399) Journal

    Try putting yourself in that scene, as one of the Romanovs. Try putting yourself into that scene as one of the perpetrators. It's a sick scenario, no matter which side of the drama you put yourself.

    I'm not even a fan of royalty, Russian or otherwise. But, that is what Communism gave the world. Families, villages, towns and cities, even nations, sacrificed for some crazy ideal, that just never works out.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by bob_super on Thursday July 19 2018, @06:11PM

    by bob_super (1357) on Thursday July 19 2018, @06:11PM (#709546)

    The US mostly sacrifices other countries' children, towns and villages for some crazy ideal, whether with Agent Orange, Napalm, cluster bombs, landmines, or to some extent Nukes.
    But occasionally, also domestic populations, rivers, neighborhoods, coastlines ...
    Dem Bolsheviks ain't crazier than us. They just have different reasons to do crazy shit.

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday July 19 2018, @11:22PM (4 children)

    by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday July 19 2018, @11:22PM (#709657)

    But, that is what Communism gave the world...

    More of the poorly thought out anti-communist propaganda.

    If you had lived under the Romanovs, you might have been keen on the Revolution too. The Romanovs were the most backward, brutal and autocratic of the European Imperial houses, (and that's really saying something).

    After all they ended Serfdom in Russia in 1861, and even then only due to extreme political pressure.

    As for Nicholas II, he absolutely got what he deserved:1

    He was given the nickname Nicholas the Bloody by his political adversaries due to the Khodynka Tragedy, anti-Semitic pogroms, Bloody Sunday, the violent suppression of the 1905 Russian Revolution, the executions of political opponents, and his perceived responsibility for the Russo-Japanese War. Soviet historians portray Nicholas as a weak and incompetent leader whose decisions led to military defeats and the deaths of millions of his subjects.*

    Soviet historians are correct, he was a total incompetent, but brutal with it.

    Frankly the 1917 Revolution was an improvement.

    1 I'm not claiming the children deserved to die, but Nicholas certainly did.
    * Wikipedia

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 20 2018, @02:24AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 20 2018, @02:24AM (#709751)

      Runaway don't know much about history, don't know much geology, can't remember the French he took, but he do know how to be an asshole, anti-commie asshole.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 20 2018, @02:31AM (2 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 20 2018, @02:31AM (#709752) Journal

      *sigh*

      If I had lived under the rule of the Romanovs, I would have grown up speaking a different language, under an entirely different education system, with different parents, a different legal system. In short, I wouldn't be me.

      And, you'll also notice that I said nothing good about the tsar. All I have done, is to point out that it was a sick situation, from any point of view. Herd an entire family into a killing field, and execute them all. FFS, the children could have been spared, and re-educated. They could have been USED to the benefit of the state.

      Unfortunately, communism views all persons as expendable. People as individuals, as well as people in groups. Entire ethnicities are expendable. Entire nationalities.

      Poorly thought out anticommunist propaganda? That's funny, in a way. All communist propaganda is poorly thought out. Promise utopia, and deliver hell on earth - that is communism.

      • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Friday July 20 2018, @03:08AM (1 child)

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Friday July 20 2018, @03:08AM (#709766)

        If you had grown up under the Romanovs, you would probably defend them.

        FFS, the children could have been spared, and re-educated. They could have been USED to the benefit of the state.

        Are you serious? The Grandchildren of Queen Victoria, and the cousins of every other European ruler? Used by the Bolsheviks? Do you really think they would let that happen?

        Promise utopia, and deliver hell on earth - that is communism.Citation Required

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 20 2018, @02:01PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 20 2018, @02:01PM (#709907) Journal

          Obviously, you've not studied any history if you need a citation for the hell on earth bit. The two largest communist countries slaughtered about 20 million people - each. Wake up and smell the coffee.