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posted by martyb on Friday July 20 2018, @11:01PM   Printer-friendly
from the sue-or-be-suet? dept.

Rolling Stone:

When a U.S. citizen heard he was on his own country’s drone target list, he wasn’t sure he believed it. After five near-misses, he does – and is suing the United States to contest his own execution
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With Reprieve’s help, Kareem did what the system asks a law-abiding American citizen with a grievance to do. He sued, filing a complaint in district court in Washington, D.C., on March 30th, 2017, asking the U.S. government to take him off the Kill List, at least until he had a chance to challenge the evidence against him.

The case, still unresolved more than a year later, has awesome implications not just for Kareem but for all Americans – all people everywhere, for that matter.

It’s not a stretch to say that it’s one of the most important lawsuits to ever cross the desk of a federal judge. The core of the Bill of Rights is in play, and a wrong result could formalize a slide into authoritarianism that began long ago, but accelerated after 9/11.

He needs to take the matter to Information Retrieval, but heaven help him if he doesn't get his receipt stamped first.

[Ed note: It's a long read, but provides extensive background on the US government's kill list development, implementation, and complications in trying to do anything about it.]


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by ilPapa on Saturday July 21 2018, @12:36AM (12 children)

    by ilPapa (2366) on Saturday July 21 2018, @12:36AM (#710180) Journal

    Feel thankful you're still on NoFlyList V1.0.

    The largest number of terrorist attacks in the US are perpetrated by right-wing and alt-right jackoffs. Why do they never seem to make the no-fly list?

    I'm pretty sure it's an indication that the no-fly list was never about terrorism at all.

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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 21 2018, @01:04AM (3 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 21 2018, @01:04AM (#710191) Journal

    Your left-wing MSM won't cover people like this - https://www.redneckrevolt.org/ [redneckrevolt.org]

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by ilPapa on Saturday July 21 2018, @03:14AM (2 children)

      by ilPapa (2366) on Saturday July 21 2018, @03:14AM (#710236) Journal

      Your left-wing MSM won't cover people like this

      Yeah, see, here's the thing. Redneck Revolt didn't kill anyone. Alt-right jackoffs have quite a body count.

      The "MSM" doesn't have anything to do with the fact that most of the terror attacks in the US are perpetrated by people on the Right and alt-right. That's just a fact.

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      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 21 2018, @03:48AM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 21 2018, @03:48AM (#710242) Journal

        Didn't kill anyone that you know of - yet. BTW - let us not forget that the KKK were Democrats. The R's have never embraced the KKK as part of the right. KKK isn't alt-right. Robert Byrd wasn't alt-right. The Clintons who admired Byrd aren't alt-right. The female Clinton who disparaged her black slaves at the Arkansas governor's mansion isn't alt-right.

        How about Patty Hearst? Have we forgotten that she was tangled up in a terrorist organization that killed people? Oh - sorry - she's a rich bitch, whose daddy was able to twist arms, and twist facts, and have all charges dismissed.

        Then, there is Bell Ayers, whose sins have all been cleansed.

        I know that American's memories are generally pretty short. I was hoping that your memory might be a little longer.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Saturday July 21 2018, @12:13PM

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday July 21 2018, @12:13PM (#710379) Journal

          You are correct that racism isn't the province of one party or the other. After Civil Rights, though, those Southern Democrats and KKK switched parties. The Republican party may not have openly embraced that, but they did lace their rhetoric with dog whistles to speak to those people.

          Democrats are more Orwellian in their racism. They have trained everyone to disclaim racism while enacting policies that are racist. I saw someone recently encapsulate the approach as inverting "e pluribus, unum" to "ex uno, plures."

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  • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday July 21 2018, @05:14AM (7 children)

    by Reziac (2489) on Saturday July 21 2018, @05:14AM (#710279) Homepage

    Someone compiled Actual Stats:

    http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html [johnstonsarchive.net]

    37 "right"
    34 "left"
    49 Islamic

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by ilPapa on Saturday July 21 2018, @06:45PM (6 children)

      by ilPapa (2366) on Saturday July 21 2018, @06:45PM (#710533) Journal

      Someone compiled Actual Stats:

      If you look from say, 1990 to date, the Actual Stats come out way different:

      20 Right
      9 Left

      And the actual death counts is close to a 20-1 ratio.

      There is no arguing that currently - TODAY - the biggest terrorist threat in the United States is right-wing extremism.

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      • (Score: 1, Troll) by Reziac on Saturday July 21 2018, @07:53PM (5 children)

        by Reziac (2489) on Saturday July 21 2018, @07:53PM (#710549) Homepage

        Me, I'd be a lot more worried about CAIR (ie. the Muslim Brotherhood), Antifa, and the rest of the leftists, who historically are responsible for a lot more chaos.

        Also, don't conflate "Nazi" and "right-wing" (Nazis were only right of Stalin, not right-wing).

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        • (Score: 2) by ilPapa on Saturday July 21 2018, @11:20PM (4 children)

          by ilPapa (2366) on Saturday July 21 2018, @11:20PM (#710605) Journal

          Me, I'd be a lot more worried about CAIR (ie. the Muslim Brotherhood), Antifa, and the rest of the leftists, who historically are responsible for a lot more chaos.

          Also, don't conflate "Nazi" and "right-wing" (Nazis were only right of Stalin, not right-wing).

          The Right has a much higher body count. No matter what you're worried about, the bigger threat of violence is from the Right.

          I'm sorry that your worried, but the facts don't care about your feelings.

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          • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday July 21 2018, @11:50PM (3 children)

            by Reziac (2489) on Saturday July 21 2018, @11:50PM (#710608) Homepage

            Not compared to the Islamic body count. Not even close.

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