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When a U.S. citizen heard he was on his own country’s drone target list, he wasn’t sure he believed it. After five near-misses, he does – and is suing the United States to contest his own execution
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With Reprieve’s help, Kareem did what the system asks a law-abiding American citizen with a grievance to do. He sued, filing a complaint in district court in Washington, D.C., on March 30th, 2017, asking the U.S. government to take him off the Kill List, at least until he had a chance to challenge the evidence against him.The case, still unresolved more than a year later, has awesome implications not just for Kareem but for all Americans – all people everywhere, for that matter.
It’s not a stretch to say that it’s one of the most important lawsuits to ever cross the desk of a federal judge. The core of the Bill of Rights is in play, and a wrong result could formalize a slide into authoritarianism that began long ago, but accelerated after 9/11.
He needs to take the matter to Information Retrieval, but heaven help him if he doesn't get his receipt stamped first.
[Ed note: It's a long read, but provides extensive background on the US government's kill list development, implementation, and complications in trying to do anything about it.]
(Score: 2, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 21 2018, @12:48AM (21 children)
Troll army. That's amusing. There must be millions like myself, who are pretty sure that Russia did a little experimental bullshit during the election. They spent what - a couple million dollars on advertising? Phhhttt - peanuts.
Branded fake news? Which brand is that? Hearst publications? Turner? MicrosoftNBC? CNN? Every one of the branded news outlets in America, except for Fox, are anti-Trump.
Jesus, man, listen to yourself.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 21 2018, @01:07AM (15 children)
Lol, listen to YOURself! At this point even Republican politicians are flipping on Trump. I'm not sure why you keep insisting there was no collusion when the evidence just keeps piling up.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 21 2018, @01:15AM
The only thing I see piling up is the bullshit that there is evidence.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 21 2018, @01:23AM (9 children)
You're not especially literate, are you? Please, cite where I have ever "insisting there was no collusion". Read my post again. I stated that I was convinced that Russia did a little experimentation. There is no credible evidence of collusion. Key word being CREDIBLE.
If you have seen credible evidence, please, point us all to that evidence. Which source has overwhelmingly convincing evidence that Trump and Putin colluded to defeat Hillary?
It doesn't exist. In point of fact, the Dems have fastened onto this myth of collusion to explain their loss in our most recent presidential election. There seems to be about one part substance to about 250,000 parts bullshit in that mix of facts and fallacy.
You should read Aristarchus submission about bullshit before you go on.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 21 2018, @01:53AM (8 children)
English language, learn it, love it.
Evidence != proof.
I'll just go ahead and quote a massive chunk of an article so your lazy brain doesn't have to work too hard.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 21 2018, @02:08AM (6 children)
I'm sure that you'll admit that an opinion piece that cites a lot of circumstantial evidence is not, in and of itself, evidence.
Meanwhile - Hillary was happy to climb into bed with the Russians when they were putting hundreds of millions of dollars into her "foundation". The circumstantial evidence surrounding the sale of uranium futures to Russia are far more convincing than that of collusion between Trump and Putin.
But, if you are a die-hard partisan, you can convince yourself of anything the party tells you.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 21 2018, @06:35AM (5 children)
Emails!! She did it first!!!!
OMG get over it, you got a "republican" government, now sack it up and deal with the fact that Trump is likely a traiyor selling out our country.
Whassamatter big fella? Cant handle all the shame this will require? Its ok, ill wait for the final findings from the investigation but im afraid Trump will irreperably damage the US before you trogs get with reality.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 21 2018, @07:20AM (1 child)
What shame? Are you under the impression that Trump is "my guy", "my candidate", or some other such silly shit? If you've read much of my writing, you know that I despise Trump - but I despise Hillary far more. And, I enjoy pointing out your own fucking hypocrisy. The D side can't get over having lost the election, is the reason behind all the witch hunts in the Trump administration.
Your side was in bed with the Russians, so long as it was putting money into the Clinton and Democrat coffers. Now, it's nothing but evil Russians, and collusion between the two most powerful people in the world.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 21 2018, @05:29PM
Oh i know your feelings about trump, and obviously you dont know me cause i didnt vote for either of the turds.
However, your hatred as you SAID aligns you with Trump against the whiny democrats of which i am not one. You can condemn both, but you continually push for Trump while saying you arent. There is no proof and the actual investigation is yielding damning results, but all you can focus on are libruhl tears. It is sad you have such hupocrisy yet are blind to it.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Pav on Saturday July 21 2018, @03:17PM (2 children)
Those emails showed Bernie was cheated in several ways, and so uncontroversially that the DNC ruling committee had to resign en mass, and Donna Brazille was sacked from her media job for leaking debate questions to Hillary (only to be immediately hired by the Hillary campaign). That's your subverting democracy right there, and they cheated a guy who was further ahead of Trump than Hillary n the polls consistently for half a year. Democracy definitely suberted. And this was balls out. Unambiguous. And noones talking about it. I wonder why. Also, it showed Hillary's media allies "elevated" Trump! This was supposedly because he was the guy she had the best chance against. Again, this was a blatant subverion of US democracy. Again, noone is talking about it. Ask yourself why.
If Russia hacked that server... (which Obamas ex FBI deputy doubts, as well as several other ex three-letter-agency people such as Bill Binney, Thomas Drake etc...) then the Russians HELPED US democracy. BTW, the FBI never got access to that server. BTW, so many uncritically believe Robert "weapons of mass distruction" Mueller. Surely people on a nerd forum have memories long enough to realise this guy has proven he'll happily push untruth on the US people if it suits him. And why the sobbing about democracy in a country with the electoral college, rampant gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement? Does ANYONE believe mainstream Democrats or Republicans actually give a flying crap about democracy?
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Saturday July 21 2018, @05:09PM (1 child)
What you, and most other people, don't seem to understand is that the Democratic Party (like the others) is a privately owned organization. I don't think they broke any laws in cheating to select Hillary. It was vile and unethical, but I don't *think* it was illegal.
That said, it was pretty clear to me from the start that Bernie was the "designated loser" in the competition. And he seemed to be aware of it, and be willing to accept it in order to get his message out. But IIUC the DNC could have just appointed Hillary as their candidate, and not even bothered with a primary...but the cost in voter commitment would be too high.
That said, they did break their own rules to get Hillary to win the nomination.
The Republicans weren't much better, but they were blindsided by Trump. So we got someone even worse than the machine candidate. Whoopee!
Perhaps you can tell I'm a bit disgusted with all the political parties. Last time there wasn't a single candidate in any of the four parties on my ballot I thought better than the wino passed out on the corner.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Pav on Saturday July 21 2018, @10:40PM
Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, the head of the DNC who presided over Hillary's cheating against Bernie has also since cheated against Tim Canova (her primary opponent), and there was definitely blatant illegality in that race - basically lying about the result, then ballot destruction to hide this fact. There was an interesting video [youtube.com] released just hours ago of a three-way interview with Tim about the situation, with a citizen activist software developer called Melissa Schwartz talking about her source software which allows citizens to become involved in exit polls to catch stuff like this early.
BTW, in the lawsuit against the DNC the first judge to hear the case specifically addressed the legality of cheating, and made very clear he considered the argument that the DNC could choose who they liked (made by the defence) to be bogus... but very strangely he threw it out anyway on juristictional issues, though since then the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals has found sufficient jurisdiction to continue.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 21 2018, @02:33AM
Less evil than Hellary and Ocramma, so what's yer point?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 21 2018, @03:00AM (3 children)
Why are we starting World War 3 again? CoLlUsiON!!!eleven!1! COLLUSION OMG COLLUSION!!!
No, seriously, you listen to yourself.
If you're going to start World War 3, which will be fought with nuclear weapons, you need to be able to articulate a good fucking reason, something better than waaaaaah, Russia may have had in role in showing how fucking corrupt the Democratic Party is (which, more than anything else, is the reason we have Trump in office, you damned bastards), waaaaaah, Russia bought some Facebook ads.
The only reason your masters want to start World War 3 is because doing what is necessary to prevent the economic implosion of the USA, such as expanding our socialist programs like medicaid and SNAP, is a strategy that is lower on their list than starting nuclear fucking war. Think about that for a moment. Think about that before you vote for a Democratic Socialists of America candidate if you think that'll change anything. Your masters, as long as you're a D teamer, would rather risk a global nuclear exchange than expand medicaid to all citizens 100% funded with taxes.
How do we know they won't ever implement medicaid for all? Why didn't they do it when they were in charge of two out of the three branches of government for the first two years of Obama's presidency?
Trump is not president because of some kind of fucking collusion! How thick can you be! He is president because you fucked over Bernie Sanders. How much would you have enjoyed at least 4 years (probably 8) of dismissing all criticisms with “Sanders Derangement Syndrome?”
Incoming automatic dismissal of reality due to “Russian troll!”
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 21 2018, @05:36PM (2 children)
Trump is taking us closer to WW3 than anyone else. This isnt about "teams" it is about reality. Trump is tanking the US in every way and in a short time if there is a war the US will be in a bad position. Maybe you missed the whole conference thing that is all over the news but Putin admitted he wanted Trump to win and we know Russian operatives meddled.
I wish Sanders had won but that isnt what happened. Now you want everyone to ignore treason because ummm why ahain?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 21 2018, @06:38PM
Increased international cooperation in Syria. First direct talks with N Korea in decades. Less tense relations with Russia, and an invitation to the White House for Putin. Who exactly do you think Trump is spoiling for a shooting war with?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 22 2018, @10:15AM
Here, let me prove you a moron in three words: Cuban Missile Crisis.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Saturday July 21 2018, @04:18PM (1 child)
This isn't only about Trump, you said that, not me. Don't pout words in my mouth. It's real and happening. Open your eyes. Massive state sponsored misinformation and trolling. This is a global problem and happening in *every* country. And this applies not only to state actors but also businesses who can use the same tactics to bury harmful information. It's incredibly harmful because people cant make informed decisions when the information planes are flooded with convincing false information.
Read that article. It isn't about Russia or Trump. It's about a global problem that is designed to manipulate we the people. Take off your partisan colored glasses for a fucking moment and look around.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 21 2018, @04:47PM
Partisan colored glasses. You lose on that one.
Global problem? Mmmm-kay - but who are the globalists? Let us remember that Trump isn't a globalist. Most of the R's and most of the D's seem to be, but the Trump isn't. He may yet become one, but he is not yet.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @01:46AM
it's pretty impressive how low quality your posts manage to be, mate
(Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Monday July 23 2018, @02:36AM (1 child)
I quietly share this opinion. I have difficulty believing that 12 million dollars was enough to swing a billion dollar election. My read is that this was an attempt to sow discord, not to favor a candidate, and I look forward to the disclosures of the ensuing court case.
Bias disclosure, I cannot vote for a pro gun-control candidate. I agree with many democratic positions, but that one is a deal breaker for me. I voted for Gary Johnson, and am happy that Mr. Trump has done a better job than I expected. I wish I would have had a chance to vote for Bernie.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 23 2018, @04:54AM
We have that in common. The vote for Bernie? I kinda leaned that way, not sure if I would have or not. I made up my mind at the last moment on this vote, only because of the way the physical ballot was laid out. This past election was the only time in my life that I went down the ballot, and checked off single party votes, where they were available. Where the libertarian option wasn't available, I voted against the incumbent, or, in the couple of cases where there was no incumbent, I voted for the lesser of the two evils.