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posted by martyb on Friday July 20 2018, @11:01PM   Printer-friendly
from the sue-or-be-suet? dept.

Rolling Stone:

When a U.S. citizen heard he was on his own country’s drone target list, he wasn’t sure he believed it. After five near-misses, he does – and is suing the United States to contest his own execution
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With Reprieve’s help, Kareem did what the system asks a law-abiding American citizen with a grievance to do. He sued, filing a complaint in district court in Washington, D.C., on March 30th, 2017, asking the U.S. government to take him off the Kill List, at least until he had a chance to challenge the evidence against him.

The case, still unresolved more than a year later, has awesome implications not just for Kareem but for all Americans – all people everywhere, for that matter.

It’s not a stretch to say that it’s one of the most important lawsuits to ever cross the desk of a federal judge. The core of the Bill of Rights is in play, and a wrong result could formalize a slide into authoritarianism that began long ago, but accelerated after 9/11.

He needs to take the matter to Information Retrieval, but heaven help him if he doesn't get his receipt stamped first.

[Ed note: It's a long read, but provides extensive background on the US government's kill list development, implementation, and complications in trying to do anything about it.]


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by AthanasiusKircher on Saturday July 21 2018, @04:46AM (3 children)

    by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Saturday July 21 2018, @04:46AM (#710269) Journal

    One of the many things that is disturbing in TFA is that the "Kill List" is at least partly determined by some random computer algorithm. Not only are we potentially assassinating U.S. citizens without trial, but we are putting people on a list potentially based on some BS AI algorithm that looks at (and I quote) "metadata."

    Well, it's finally come to pass. Gordon Dickson predicted that people would be executed by computer error [wikipedia.org], but he at least postulated it would also involve a bunch of human error too. Instead, Obama and Trump seem happy to kill based on scant evidence.

    But Dickson got the bureaucratic element right -- once somebody gets on a computer's kill list, no simple court maneuver will easily get that person off... Which is horrifying.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by maxwell demon on Saturday July 21 2018, @06:27AM

    by maxwell demon (1608) on Saturday July 21 2018, @06:27AM (#710298) Journal

    but he at least postulated it would also involve a bunch of human error too

    Of course it does. The error to let the computer make the decision was definitely made by humans.

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    The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday July 21 2018, @11:31AM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday July 21 2018, @11:31AM (#710361) Journal

    It's a very short step to applying that kill list to Americans on US soil, too.

    They'll do that, and people not so targeted will buy the flimsy pretext that they were bad, an 'imminent danger' to the country, because that's what sheep do.

    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

    250 years later, it's as true now as it was then.

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    Washington DC delenda est.
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 21 2018, @11:18PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 21 2018, @11:18PM (#710603)

    if you put it inside of quotation marks it is already a quote, you don't need to verbally declare it so, but i guess it doesn't hurt.