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posted by mrpg on Tuesday July 24 2018, @04:30AM   Printer-friendly
from the finally dept.

Individualized dietary recommendations based on genetic information are currently a popular trend. A team at the Technical University of Munich (TUM) has systematically analyzed scientific articles and reached the following conclusion: There is no clear evidence for the effect of genetic factors on the consumption of total calories, carbohydrates, and fat. According to the current state of knowledge, the expedience of gene-based dietary recommendations has yet to be proven.

Overweight and obesity have become a global health problem. According to the World Health Organization, 39 percent of adults in EU countries have overweight. In Germany more than 50 percent of adults suffer from overweight, almost one fifth is according to the Robert Koch Institute currently considered obese. This is primarily due to the modern lifestyle which is characterized by low physical activity and high-calorie foods.

Also genetic factors play a role in the occurrence of obesity. To date, around a hundred genes (loci) have been identified which are related to the body mass index (BMI). However, the functioning of these genes as well as the biological mechanisms behind them are still largely unknown. The investigation of the relationship between genetic factors and nutrition can shed light on whether the genes which are linked to BMI play a role in nutrition.


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  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @04:45AM (32 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @04:45AM (#711576)

    Great. Now a bunch of overweight hypocritical morons will discuss how you the reader should lose weight by burning more calories than you consume. But the loud fatasses themselves are just big boned. Honest.

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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @05:08AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @05:08AM (#711585)

    Fucking called it. Every fucking nutrition discussion is the same with you fucking people.

    SoylentNews IS STUPID PEOPLE.

    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday July 24 2018, @09:24AM

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 24 2018, @09:24AM (#711644) Journal

      Why are you replying to your own comment?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @05:08AM (23 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @05:08AM (#711586)

    How do you not lose weight by burning more calories than you consume?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @05:13AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @05:13AM (#711588)

      Technically the flesh eating bacteria don't count as part of your body but they get weighed along with you when you crawl to the bathroom scale.

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @05:24AM (18 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @05:24AM (#711592)

      Thats the totally wrong question. Maybe theres some rare people who just never get full. Besides them the question is why some people have to eat so many more calories than they burn to feel full?

      • (Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @05:29AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @05:29AM (#711598)

        That's a non sequitur and a separate problem.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @05:38AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @05:38AM (#711603)

          It is the only question that matters. Someone who feels full stops eating, if you feel full after eating the right amount then you wont get fat. If you dont feel full until you eat more than you burn, youll get fat since you never feel comfortable otherwise.

          • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @09:26AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @09:26AM (#711645)

            I agree with your assertion that "not feeling full" is a factor in eating too much. I am a shameless pig of an eater with a metabolism like a furnace, and it takes a lot for me to feel full.

            I eat a lot of food, most unhealthy, etc etc (about 4K - 5k calories a day). I only started to add a little extra weight in my late 40's. Even now, a decade later, if I cut back a little I will lose weight. As a programmer I am sedentary most of the day, so it is not my level of activity or lifestyle that burns the calories.

            I don't eat like I do because I can (though I never worry about an extra appetizer, having seconds, dessert, etc) - I just don't feel full. Whether it's a medium pizza, or an 18" sub, or a burrito bigger than my shoe, I can just pack it away ... and feel hungry a little while later.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @10:35PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @10:35PM (#711993)

              Or perhaps your digestive system is extremely inefficient. That could be due to poor gut bacteria or something like symptom-less gluten intolerance (so you're not extracting many nutrients from what you're eating).

              You can stop if you want to. That full feeling is either the up/down blood sugar cycles or you've taught yourself that a bloated stomach is what feeling full feels like. You fix the first by eating plain salad and you fix the second by realizing it's ok to feel hungry and that when you stretch your stomach it can leak acid on your other organs. If you eat so much as to hiccup or fill like throwing up, you're damaging yourself. In the sort term, it's not a big deal. When you're old, you'll regret it.

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by janrinok on Tuesday July 24 2018, @09:29AM (1 child)

            by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 24 2018, @09:29AM (#711646) Journal

            Drink a lot more water while you eat, and you will eat less and feel fuller sooner. It's hardly rocket science.

            While some people suffer from medical conditions that lead to being obese, the vast majority just eat too much and exercise too little. Cut down on portion sizes, stop snacking between meals, eat more fruit and vegetables and do something physical - anything - and for most the problem is solved.

            • (Score: 4, Interesting) by AnonTechie on Tuesday July 24 2018, @10:07AM

              by AnonTechie (2275) on Tuesday July 24 2018, @10:07AM (#711652) Journal

              Off topic.
              Welcome back janrinok. It is a pleasant surprise to see your comment after a long gap. Be well.

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      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday July 24 2018, @08:05AM (11 children)

        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday July 24 2018, @08:05AM (#711627) Homepage
        Because they've turned off their internal negative-feedback control mechanism through years of miseating.
        You should be able to find /Sugar: The Bitter Truth/ on youtube or a torrent site.
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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by sjames on Tuesday July 24 2018, @08:16AM (2 children)

          by sjames (2882) on Tuesday July 24 2018, @08:16AM (#711628) Journal

          Or it never worked quite right in the first place, or their gut flora changed (there is evidence for this).

          But nice victim blaming there...

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @12:45PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @12:45PM (#711683)

            There is evidence that gut flora is influenced by diet.

            Plus you have pro-biotics I guess.

            • (Score: 2) by sjames on Tuesday July 24 2018, @09:32PM

              by sjames (2882) on Tuesday July 24 2018, @09:32PM (#711943) Journal

              It's also affected by your parents, illnesses, and antibiotics.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @08:20AM (6 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @08:20AM (#711629)

          I dont think it is "off". You think theres a lot of people out there who never feel full no matter how much they eat?

          • (Score: 4, Interesting) by AthanasiusKircher on Tuesday July 24 2018, @08:46AM (1 child)

            by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Tuesday July 24 2018, @08:46AM (#711637) Journal

            No, it's not "off" but it only can take a little "miscalibration" to have a large effect over time.

            Suppose you overeat by only 100 extra calories per day. You have an extra cookie or take another small scoop of mashed potatoes with a small pat of butter or have an extra can of soda. Lots of little things easily add up to 100 calories.

            It's an oversimplification, but fat tissue roughly is equivalent to about 3500 calories per pound. So, that 100 calories extra per day can add up to a weight gain of roughly 10 pounds per year. Do that for a decade, and you are 100 pounds overweight.

            Obviously this is oversimplified (and you'd have to keep increasing intake over time to maintain that rate of gain, since even fat tissue will raise the amount of calories your body needs per day).

            But the point stands: a minor but consistent miscalibration in the feeling of "fullness" on a daily basis can add up to major problems in the long-term.

            • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday July 24 2018, @01:53PM

              by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 24 2018, @01:53PM (#711717)

              Not to disagree, but to embrace and extend, there's the side issue of it being a stereotype that high carb binging results in stereotypical thanksgiving style lethargy for some hours until the blood sugar stabilizes (if, for some people, it EVER does...) , so a decade of "That double bowl of ice cream tasted so good ... I was gonna mow the lawn, but F it, I'm tired now, I'll mow the lawn tomorrow" could result in the same 100 pound gain.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @10:42PM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @10:42PM (#711995)

            Feeling full has nothing to do with it. You never need to feel full. Not feeling full after every meal you eat won't kill you nor will it degrade your health. Constantly eating to always feel full is clearly bad. Your body needs time to digest the food and use the energy you just ate. Keeping your stomach full with food all the time is a bad idea.

            In addition, you can change what you eat to never feel hungry. That doesn't mean you'll feel full all the time, it just means you won't feel hungry even if you skip a meal. I'd argue you should aim for not hungry rather than not full. Trying to feel full all the time IS the problem. Feeling full shouldn't be a goal.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @12:08AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @12:08AM (#712045)

              Full just means you have no desire for more food...

              • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday July 25 2018, @06:34AM (1 child)

                by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 25 2018, @06:34AM (#712203) Journal

                Well for many people it means being unable to eat any more even if they tried. That is what a 'full stomach' is actually describing.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:35PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:35PM (#712504)

                  Then those people are the rare exceptions I mentioned in the first post about this. If you still want to eat food even though it is physically impossible for you to do so then that is special. Most people feel "full" (fine: satisfied or comfortable) well before that.

                  The point is that (most) people eat because they are craving food and at some point they have eaten enough that the cravings go away. Whether this point is above, at, or below the point at which you are at a caloric equilibrium determines your weight gain. stability, loss over the long term.

        • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday July 24 2018, @01:50PM

          by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 24 2018, @01:50PM (#711715)

          Sugar: The Bitter Truth

          Its truly an education in Sophistry to read the (paid?) opponents of that video. They try every technique of sophistry in the book, no science. You really can learn a lot about sophistry just by observing, seeing as there's no rational argument or debate against that video.

          Just a weird side effect, came for the dietary learning, got it, but also left knowing more about propaganda.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Tuesday July 24 2018, @06:06AM

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Tuesday July 24 2018, @06:06AM (#711607) Homepage Journal

      You lose weight as you go about your normal day once you've gotten into shape.

      This because a physically-fit body is far less energy efficient than is an overweight one.

      If you don't believe me, hang out somewhere in public where you can see lots of people, like the town square or a shopping mall.

      Fat people take great care to minimize their effort.

      Fit people skip stairs when they ascend them - by running.

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by maxwell demon on Tuesday July 24 2018, @06:25AM

      by maxwell demon (1608) on Tuesday July 24 2018, @06:25AM (#711614) Journal

      Simple: Make a barbecue. You burn a lot of calories in the form of coal, and then consume fewer calories by eating the grilled meat. And if you do enough of it, you won't lose weight. ;-)

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      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @07:07AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @07:07AM (#711621)

      By retaining water.

  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by VLM on Tuesday July 24 2018, @01:37PM (3 children)

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 24 2018, @01:37PM (#711708)

    lose weight by burning more calories

    Two fun related memes from the lifting community:

    A popular phrase making the rounds in the lifting community for some years has been "you can't outrun a fork". Don't even bother with cardio. If you can run a five minute mile (yeah, right...) at that pace for two continuous hours (LOL, thats near world record marathon pace) then you'll burn 1000 cal total, so you get people who eat an extra double whopper with cheese and say "ah well I cardio so its all good fat-bro" and they do a 10 minute pace until they start sweating or maybe they're really hard core so they go 45 mins but either way they're burning a tiny fraction of the whopper.

    Anecdotally there is some truth for me and reportedly many others in the appetite suppressive effect of lifting vs cardio. Cardio makes me ravenous enough to eat an entire horse when I'm done and my legs are tired so I lay on the couch and shitpost the rest of the day. On the other hand, lifting makes me drink a low/no carb protein shake and feel pretty pumped up and energized maybe an hour later. Also of course I'm stronger so I naturally burn more calories doing more stuff than a weaker person can comfortably do. There seems to be at least SOME truth to the meme making the rounds among lifters that cardio only helps thin people stay thin, but to get thin you have to lift, not cardio. Aside from simple observation and theories, "everybody gotta run" came from the same morons who were telling us to eat hyper high carb and low fat which mostly resulted in great farm profits and a really fat population, so there's no trust in the claim that cardio helps. Generations of advice like "start running" mostly seems to result in ever more fat people with bad knees, so once you find yourself in a hole, perhaps stop digging deeper? Cardio MIGHT be good for your heart but it won't cause weight loss or improve knee health and being fat and bedridden as a side effect never helped anyone's heart.

    Good time to being up soy and soy-boys and soy-boi and so forth, or too off topic? Much like giving Indians whiskey or giving non-white adults cow milk, which is biochemically and genetically not a "nice" thing to do, force feeding non-Asians large quantities of soy seems like its gonna be the next scandal in decade or so when even the legacy media can't ignore it anymore. Every time I see a hipster "male" sipping a soy latte while eating his tofu salad with biceps the size of his wrist (if not, somehow, smaller?) and man-boobs bigger than my wife's boobs I'm like "eating other people's food; maybe not a good idea all the time"

    Anyway in summary, the "greater lifting community" advice seems to be lose weight by not eating bad food, eating somewhat less food, and lift not cardio.

    With a hilarious side dish of most of my lifting buddies are right-wing nazi alt-right MAGA people, so now weight loss advice has become political, and being a fat sick degenerate might be a new left wing class in the progressive stack, complete with athlete-shaming and so forth.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @01:47PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @01:47PM (#711713)

      If you can run a five minute mile (yeah, right...) at that pace for two continuous hours (LOL, thats near world record marathon pace) then you'll burn 1000 cal total

      Even walking should be ~ 100 cal/mile. So if you walk 24 miles in a day you should burn about 2400 extra calories. If you run, its probably closer to 3500 cal. Either is more than double what you need to be sedentary so I dont see how you can claim this is negligible. I didnt bother reading the rest of your post after you started off with such poor information.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @04:47PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @04:47PM (#711777)

      Ugh go back to the shitpost forums you're bringing this place down.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @11:17PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @11:17PM (#712019)

      Two fun related memes from the lifting community:

      Oooh, goody! Fun with memes!

      A popular phrase making the rounds in the lifting community for some years has been "you can't outrun a fork"...so you get people who eat an extra double whopper with cheese and say "ah well I cardio so its all good fat-bro" and they do a 10 minute pace until they start sweating or maybe they're really hard core so they go 45 mins but either way they're burning a tiny fraction of the whopper.

      Yes. Another way to put it is "you are what you eat". You can't get around the fact that junk food will make for a physical body of junk.

      Anecdotally there is some truth for me and reportedly many others in the appetite suppressive effect of lifting vs cardio. Cardio makes me ravenous enough to eat an entire horse when I'm done and my legs are tired so I lay on the couch and shitpost the rest of the day. On the other hand, lifting makes me drink a low/no carb protein shake and feel pretty pumped up and energized maybe an hour later.

      *Shrug* different strokes for different folks, I guess. I find that running/walking for a couple of hours works wonders to suppress my appetite. And I have managed to lose about 15 pounds over the last several months doing running/jogging almost exclusively. I anticipate hitting the weights again in another couple of months!

      There seems to be at least SOME truth to the meme making the rounds among lifters that cardio only helps thin people stay thin, but to get thin you have to lift, not cardio.

      And, you are both wrong. To have a well-rounded fitness routine you should really incorporate elements of both cardio AND resistance/strength training. If you are only doing one or the other then your work out routine is lopsided.

      Aside from simple observation and theories, "everybody gotta run" came from the same morons who were telling us to eat hyper high carb and low fat which mostly resulted in great farm profits and a really fat population, so there's no trust in the claim that cardio helps. Generations of advice like "start running" mostly seems to result in ever more fat people with bad knees, so once you find yourself in a hole, perhaps stop digging deeper? Cardio MIGHT be good for your heart but it won't cause weight loss or improve knee health and being fat and bedridden as a side effect never helped anyone's heart.

      It's really ironic that you would spew this shit and call others "morons". Look, tune out Dr Oz and the "fitness gurus" on TV. The best advice is what your doctor has been telling you for decades. Eat right (i.e., eat plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables, go for lean cuts of meat, stay away from processed foods and sugars), quit smoking, if you are going to drink then do so in moderation, and get at least 150 minutes of physical exercise every week. That advice is 90% of the cure right there. Stop listening to idiots screeching at you about carbs, etc. They are trying to sell you stuff.

      Good time to being up soy and soy-boys and soy-boi and so forth, or too off topic?

      No, it's not a good time to put your prejudices on display. Look, if you don't want soy lattes, then go for real cream in your coffee. That's what I do. And I don't need to sneer at the other customers while doing so. As an added side benefit, it saves me from much unneeded aggravation.

      With a hilarious side dish of most of my lifting buddies are right-wing nazi alt-right MAGA people, so now weight loss advice has become political, and being a fat sick degenerate might be a new left wing class in the progressive stack, complete with athlete-shaming and so forth.

      And here we have the real reason why you prefer weight lifting over cardio: you have found a bunch of like-minded bigots to hang out with. Good for you! I guess everyone needs to have someone else they can feel superior to. In reality, though, you and your weight lifting buddies just end up looking smaller. Whatever.

  • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday July 24 2018, @06:23PM (1 child)

    by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 24 2018, @06:23PM (#711813) Journal

    FWIW, I *am* big boned. I can span over an octave on the piano. Most places don't stock gloves that will fit me. My shoes are special order. Etc. But I must admit that I'm also fat. (My doctor said [not directly to me] morbidly obese.)

    I *am* making progress, though. What I recommend is cutting out sugars as entirely as possible, which essentially means nearly no processed food, though if the ingredients list 0 gr. sugar/serving I tentatively consider it safe, and I do allow myself 1/4 Cup blueberries/day. I also recommend cutting out almost all starches. I allow myself a commercial rye bread sandwich every day, i.e. two slices of bread. I worry a lot less about oils and other fats, as they don't seem to have the same feedback cycle as sugars and starches (i.e., eat a little, want a bit more). Most commercial nuts have been treated so that if you eat some you want more, so avoid those, but simple roasted or raw nuts are reasonable. Keep in mind they're heavy in calories, but also high in fiber.

    I also eat a lot of wheat bran and oat bran (compared to most people) and I eat 1/4 cup wheat germ/day. It's extremely low in starches and sugars. For convenience I eat a lot of canned fish, but unsugared/unstarched hot dogs are also acceptable. Note, however, how high in fat they are. For some reason if I eat more than minor quantities of roast beef my blood sugar rises, so watch that carefully. Chicken is less problematic, but also less satisfying.

    For dinner there's a large salad, and my second course (a couple of hours later) is canned fish of some sort mixed with wheat bran and spices as a fish salad. I need to be careful about the spices as some of them cause me to want to eat more, but chili power or garlic powder is reasonably safe. Follow it with something to drink. I generally want coffee, but many people can't drink coffee that late at night.

    *IF* (hah!) I can continue to lose weight at my current rate, I'll reach my ideal weight in a couple of years, possibly a bit less. But the key was cutting out sugars and cutting way down on starches. YMMV.

    P.S.: To avoid this kind of response, don't talk about "big boned".

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @10:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 24 2018, @10:48PM (#711999)

      Eat your fish in the morning. You'll have more energy during the day and won't need to eat as large a lunch. Cereal is a stable breakfast food because people used to think it would curb boy's masturbation habits and stop them from thinking about sex. Break away from the legacy of that bullshit and eat a good breakfast instead. Remember, breakfast is the most important meal of the day. Dinner is the least important. You don't need all that food/energy to sleep.