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posted by martyb on Wednesday July 25 2018, @03:58PM   Printer-friendly
from the [un]intended-consequences? dept.

Brian Krebs has written a blog post about how Google has been using security keys to neutralize phishing of their employees. It stops the phishing quite well but comes at a high cost. No, not the hardware cost of a security dongle, it's the cost of losing third-party mail applications like Thunderbird and their add-ons like Enigmail.

I have been using Advanced Protection for several months now without any major issues, although it did take me a few tries to get it set up correctly. One frustrating aspect of having it turned on is that it does not allow one to use third-party email applications like Mozilla’s Thunderbird or [others]. I found this frustrating because as far as I can tell there is no integrated solution in Gmail for PGP/OpenGPG email message encryption, and some readers prefer to share news tips this way. Previously, I had used Thunderbird along with a plugin called Enigmail to do that.


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @04:06PM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @04:06PM (#712439)

    You people are willingly giving up your freedom.

    You have to live the world you want to see. Bending over further will just ease Google's penetration.

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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @04:22PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @04:22PM (#712452)

    Hillary? Is that you?

    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday July 25 2018, @04:29PM

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 25 2018, @04:29PM (#712456)

      “Hello all - I may be facing a very interesting situation where I need to strip out a VIP’s (VERY VIP) email address from a bunch of archived email that I have both in a live Exchange mailbox, as well as a PST file. Basically, they don’t want the VIP’s email address exposed to anyone. … Does anyone have experience with something like this, and/or suggestions on how this might be accomplished?”

      I still can't believe some brain donor posted that question to Reddit. That's so delicious it had to have been a plant, but sometimes truth is weirder than fiction.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:09PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:09PM (#712487)

      Actually, It's Putin with a Hillary mask on.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @07:22PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @07:22PM (#712594)

        An he would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids!

        • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday July 26 2018, @04:58PM

          by bob_super (1357) on Thursday July 26 2018, @04:58PM (#713224)

          I must have stopped watching that episode too early. When I last checked, he was still getting away with it.

      • (Score: 2) by arslan on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:46AM

        by arslan (3462) on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:46AM (#712852)

        Wha? Why would Putin make himself more ugly?

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:12PM (1 child)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:12PM (#712489) Journal

    I don't believe setting up your own server is good enough.

    Email needs to be redesigned from the ground up.

    --
    People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:26PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @05:26PM (#712497)

      At the very least, email already allows for basically arbitrary data to be sent, so you could just use it as a vehicle for some new formulation of message interchange.

      However, the current generation of programmers is completely unequipped to produce something that is fundamentally desirable. They're all a bunch of kids who just want to tap into that sweet VC money and ride the latest CoC to virtue-signalling nirvana.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @07:19PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 25 2018, @07:19PM (#712590)
    This

    It's not that hard. And for basic email for a single domain (and single address) Postfix is almost turnkey. You have to configure a few simple settings, then you are done. Granted, in today's world, there is a bit more work to setup domain keys and such, but even that is not hard, and there are plenty of how-to's for setting such up in Postfix.

    My personal email's been hosted by me, on my own hardware, since somewhere circa. 1998 or so. I'll never make use of the gmail's of the world.

  • (Score: 3, Disagree) by richtopia on Thursday July 26 2018, @12:36AM (2 children)

    by richtopia (3160) on Thursday July 26 2018, @12:36AM (#712806) Homepage Journal

    Unfortunately email addresses do not transfer like phone numbers. When I was young I signed up for Gmail addresses for my primary correspondence. Now, after 14 years that email is critical to communication. I have my own domain and personal email, but I have struggled to migrate everyone to a new email address.

    Now, if Gmail ever drops IMAP support, I will finally break those ties. I probably would do it today if I didn't need an account with Google Play for work.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @10:32AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @10:32AM (#712999)

      Unfortunately email addresses do not transfer like phone numbers.

      Use email forwarding. Then gmail is essentially just another MTA delivering to your personal mail as final destination.

      • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday July 26 2018, @05:03PM

        by bob_super (1357) on Thursday July 26 2018, @05:03PM (#713227)

        It's actually a better solution, because you benefit from Google's spam filters.

        Give me a 2018 update, I haven't tried for a while: how much spam do you get every day, after self-hosting for a year or so?