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posted by FatPhil on Wednesday July 25 2018, @08:45PM   Printer-friendly
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Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg backtracks on comments about Holocaust deniers

Facebook may be locked in a battle against fake news, and now CEO Mark Zuckerberg is backtracking on claims that the social network won't ban Holocaust deniers.

Zuckerberg gave the explanation to Recode after the site aired audio of the Facebook founder claiming "abhorrent" content, the New York Post reported, had a right to spread across his massive social media network.

"I personally find Holocaust denial deeply offensive, and I absolutely didn't intend to defend the intent of people who deny that," Zuckerberg told the website later. "Of course if a post crossed a line into advocating for violence or hate against a particular group, it would be removed. … These issues are very challenging but I believe that often the best way to fight offensive bad speech is with good speech."

Earlier, Zuckerberg had spoken differently.

"I don't think that we should be in the business of having people at Facebook who are deciding what is true and what isn't," he said, during an episode of the Recode Decode podcast on Wednesday.

Ed's note: And if there's one thing we can all agree on regarding limitations to freedom of speech online, it's that we'll never all agree regarding limitations to freedom of speech online!


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  • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday July 25 2018, @11:44PM (9 children)

    by Freeman (732) on Wednesday July 25 2018, @11:44PM (#712787) Journal

    It was genocide. Which is a pretty big deal and it was a shocking revelation of truth. You can blame mass media as much as anyone for what most people know about WWII. In addition, Americans really didn't lose that many people compared to the other major players in both World Wars. I'm sure at some point I heard the casualties for Russians, Germans, Japanese, and Americans. Yes, war is horrific, but genocide is even more horrific. Bad news flies and that seems to be what news outlets sell anymore. Sure, they may report on a happy story, but then it's followed by 30 minutes of "look at all the bad things that happened". P.S. I don't remember random trivia like 6 million Jews died in the holocaust. Though, I have a lot bigger chance now that I've commented about it.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by jmorris on Thursday July 26 2018, @12:21AM (5 children)

    by jmorris (4844) on Thursday July 26 2018, @12:21AM (#712801)

    It was genocide.

    So? Seriously. You are probably as ignorant as any other normie and don't know, but Google can educate you. Go now and look up how many million plus mass casualty events happened in the 20th Century. Genocide, war, mass slaughter of civilian populations, if you can imagine it in a nightmare it is a good bet some Communists / Socialists / Fascists / etc. gave it the good ol college try in the 20th Century. Our education materials fixate on one of them to the exclusion of the others. Asking why is a totally legit question.

    We don't study the Great Leap Forward to learn the lessons in how NOT to plan a social change, so we don't care about tens of millions of dead Chinese? Maybe not since we also don't teach about Japanese atrocities against the Chinese in the war either. And our "good friend and ally" Stalin murdered how many Ukrainians with nary a mention in our textbooks? The NYT still hasn't even given back Duranty's Pulitzer for helping the Soviets cover it up. And that was only one of the many million plus mass casualty events attributable to the Soviet Union's rise and fall. Or perhaps the piles of skulls from Communism bore you. So do you wonder why nobody gives a shit about the genocides in Africa? Lemme guess, nobody cares because those are black people getting stacked in mass graves? Got one cranking up in South Africa right now against whites and nary a peep from anyone in any sort of position to raise enough alarm to matter so nah, it ain't about the color of the victims. Never again? Yeah, right.

    Truth is you can't bring attention to any other genocide because you can't divert attention away from THE Holocaust, the ONE True Genocide that matters. Because it is the only one that impacted the only people who matter, the ones who run your TV, books, textbooks, magazines, etc. and they have been milking it for sympathy and using it as a general purpose "get out of any criticism" card for decades.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:40AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:40AM (#712847)

      Haha "normie". How many bridges have you stuffed up your butt so far trollbro?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @02:47AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @02:47AM (#712880)

      Truth is you can't bring attention to any other genocide

      [citation needed]

    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday July 26 2018, @03:11PM

      by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday July 26 2018, @03:11PM (#713152)

      We don't study the Great Leap Forward to learn the lessons in how NOT to plan a social change, so we don't care about tens of millions of dead Chinese? [...] And our "good friend and ally" Stalin murdered how many Ukrainians with nary a mention in our textbooks?

      I don't think you're allowed to call it a genocide if you're doing it against your own people. Unless it's an ethnic subgroup of your people (like the Holodomor?).

      Otherwise, interesting points.

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    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday July 26 2018, @05:55PM

      by Freeman (732) on Thursday July 26 2018, @05:55PM (#713254) Journal

      I've definitely heard / read about other atrocities that have occurred in USSR, China, Africa, and many other places. I just think you've gone a bit on the conspiracy theorist end of the knowledge pool. We should care about things like the Holocaust, the genocides that have happened in African nations, and other atrocities. World War II was the last time we as a nation were nearly universally praised for a military action. It makes sense that one of the worst atrocities that happened in World War II is of concern to Americans.

      Yes, horrible things happened in China, and horrible things happened in Russia during World War II. The main difference, is our troops saw first hand the atrocities of the Holocaust. Thus, we have video evidence and other things that made it more real to our people. We weren't on the best of terms with Russia during World War II or after World War II. It's kind of hard to care about commies when the media is pushing the fact that all commies are horrible, baby eating, devils. Guess what China was? They were commies too.

      China and Russia were more the enemy of my enemy. As opposed to truly being our Allies. That doesn't detract from the horror of the massive loss of life in either country, but it does explain some of why the USA didn't much care about their hardships.

      You don't see a coalition of "The Killing Fields Deniers" do you? The Holocaust is/was the main example of genocide to Americans, because they saw the results of the horrors inflicted on the victims of the Holocaust. American troops were there and there is ample evidence of the horrors that were committed.

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    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @06:22PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @06:22PM (#713284)

      I learned about all of those in World History in high school. I also learned that Hitler killed tons of Poles and other Slavic types, gays, retards, etc. Your school just sucked.

  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @09:10AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @09:10AM (#712982)

    It was genocide.

    The Nazis attempted genocide against a lot of different groups of people, so why do we focus only on one group?

    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday July 26 2018, @06:05PM (1 child)

      by Freeman (732) on Thursday July 26 2018, @06:05PM (#713260) Journal

      #1 The other groups of people were groups of various peoples.

      #2 Some of those groups didn't want to call attention to themselves at the time.

      #3 We are human.

      The Nazis were usually hyped up on drugs when going into combat. Why didn't I know that fact until recently? Does it really matter that I know that now?

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      Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @06:24PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @06:24PM (#713288)

        So are many US soldiers. Amphetamines are in broad use.