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posted by chromas on Saturday July 28 2018, @04:37PM   Printer-friendly
from the privacy-versus-prosperity dept.

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The Trump administration is working on a set of data privacy protections, the Washington Post reports, and according to the National Telecommunications and Information Administration, officials have held 22 meetings with more than 80 companies and groups since last month. Companies like Facebook, Google, AT&T and Comcast have been involved, according to four Washington Post sources familiar with the matter. The short-term goal is to deliver a data privacy proposal -- including how data should be collected and handled and what rights consumers have regarding that data -- which could serve as a guide for lawmakers as they consider legislation.

Axios reported last month that the White House was looking into a data privacy plan, meeting with groups like the Information Technology Industry Council, a trade group representing companies such as Apple, Google and Facebook, and The Business Roundtable, a lobbying group that hosts tech CEOs like Apple's Tim Cook, IBM's Virginia Rometty and Verizon's Lowell McAdam.

"Through the White House National Economic Council, the Trump Administration aims to craft a consumer privacy protection policy that is the appropriate balance between privacy and prosperity," Lindsay Walters, the president's deputy press secretary, told the Washington Post. "We look forward to working with Congress on a legislative solution consistent with our overarching policy."

The draft proposal also asks Congress to devise a law that would preempt any state laws, notable as California has just passed its own set of data privacy regulations. Vermont has taken on data privacy through legislation as well.

The White House is reportedly working to have its data privacy plan set this fall. Meanwhile, multiple lawmakers have now introduced their own data privacy bills in both the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Source: https://www.engadget.com/2018/07/27/white-house-federal-data-privacy-policy/


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by fadrian on Saturday July 28 2018, @05:02PM (19 children)

    by fadrian (3194) on Saturday July 28 2018, @05:02PM (#714032) Homepage

    How many think that Trump and his Republican clown show can actually put together legislation that will be halfway decent? I am dubious.

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  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2018, @05:04PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2018, @05:04PM (#714033)

    Who was he? Just... who was this man? Everyone was asking themselves this very question as they watched the figure waddle down the sidewalk.

    The man's appearance was ordinary, but the air surrounding him was anything but. A strange aura - imperceptible to the naked eye - surrounded him; it was the kind of aura that emanated from heroic figures. The man's mere presence was such that it rendered all who saw him unable to speak. And then... he tripped and fell onto a little girl.

    The man's countless rolls of fat jiggled once he landed. Most people would think of this as a freak accident, but that was because they did not comprehend the man's true power. Although it appeared as if the man was shuffling around and trying to get up, in truth, he was simply violating the little girl.

    "Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!" the heroic man screamed, as he felt a wave of pleasure flow through his entire body. The many observers could not believe what they were seeing. This man - no, this hero - could effortlessly make his heroic deeds seem like complete accidents. Unbelievable. Phenomenal. Extraordinary! The onlookers cheered as the massively obese man squirted semen into the little girl's womb and snapped her neck at the same time.

    True evil had been vanquished before their very eyes. The legendary figure rose up and began waddling away, as the crowd burned his magnificent image into the deepest reaches of their minds...

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 28 2018, @05:39PM (1 child)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 28 2018, @05:39PM (#714046) Journal

    Very ungood. Dubious, you say? My faith in the White House isn't even that high. As much as I love kicking around the Trump haters - he has done nothing to inspire confidence yet. The first item of evidence is Ajit Pai, a telecom puppet, appointed to the FCC. Trump isn't the demon from hell that libbies like to claim - but he sure as hell isn't the sharpest tool in anyone's shed. There is no way he can begin to define privacy, as any private citizen understands privacy. Trump will side with the telecoms, the advertising industry, and all the government snoops, from little villages to the head of the NSA.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 29 2018, @12:34AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 29 2018, @12:34AM (#714159)

      You must not have seen any combat in your military career otherwise you'd instantly recognize the dead eyes peaking out of Trump's fat face. Trump is more like a zombie meat puppet.

      It saddens me that Ajit Pai is the only bit you seem to care about, but at least your last sentence was a sliver of silver.

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2018, @06:13PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2018, @06:13PM (#714050)

    Let's hope not.

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2018, @06:46PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2018, @06:46PM (#714053)

    I'm not dubious about it at all. I know full well what to expect, and it ain't going to be in the best interests of consumers/citizens. Not when the people involved in it are those who want to suck up every byte of data possible. (Notice no mention of privacy rights groups etc - the real people to invite if that's what you're truly after.)

    Also note that these clowns are asking to be able to pre-empt any state from making their own laws. Which translates to "We know that states that care about their citizens will attempt (or already are) to do better than what we will propose, or will write stuff to counteract the obvious failings we will be introducing, so stop them!!!!!"

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 29 2018, @12:39AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 29 2018, @12:39AM (#714161)

      Best theory here. Sorry to call it a theory, but until it is fully actualized it isn't fact.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2018, @07:12PM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2018, @07:12PM (#714059)

    Would you expect the DNC to do better? They would put in BIG print how they are helping then in the fine print rip you off. Like Obamacare (12 fucking K per year is not better).

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2018, @07:31PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2018, @07:31PM (#714066)

      Not better for you, perhaps, but millions more people who did not have insurance before the ACA now have it. Unfortunately, since Obama and many democrats are/were mealy-mouthed corporatists, we couldn't get a single-payer system in place when they had a supermajority. A shame, because that's the real solution.

      • (Score: 1, Troll) by Sulla on Saturday July 28 2018, @08:17PM (5 children)

        by Sulla (5173) on Saturday July 28 2018, @08:17PM (#714084) Journal

        Tens of thousands got insurance they didn't have before and tens of millions saw their rates go up by 300%+ with less coverage

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        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by shipofgold on Saturday July 28 2018, @08:49PM (4 children)

          by shipofgold (4696) on Saturday July 28 2018, @08:49PM (#714093)

          Face it...your insurance would have gone up with or without obamacare....it was already skyrocketing during Bush's presidency and why do you think that was?

          Your going to pay for healthcare one way or another...I would prefer to have the costs up-front and visible instead of under the table with current insurance where depending on who you work for, or who you know you get different charges for the same procedure.

          The total dollars spent on healthcare in the USA went from 1.36 trillion USD in 2000 to 2.4 trillion USA in 2008, and then to 3.4 Trillion in 2016. So it went up 1 trillion during Bush, and 1 trillion during Obama. But the percent change was much more during Bush....

          Somebody is paying those total dollars, and it is better to spread it out and make sure everybody understands it. When you go to a doctor and the first words you hear are what health insurance do you have? something is wrong!

          The population as a whole want obamacare or single-payer...it is the politicians (and the russians) who are trying to divide the public on this point. I am certain the russians are meddling in this like everyting else...anything to keep the USA unstable.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2018, @09:28PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 28 2018, @09:28PM (#714113)

            The russians are the new jews apparently.

            • (Score: 2, Informative) by Sulla on Saturday July 28 2018, @11:06PM

              by Sulla (5173) on Saturday July 28 2018, @11:06PM (#714136) Journal

              You need to make sure to use brackets to point them out so people know [[[RUSSIANS!!!!]]]

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            • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Sunday July 29 2018, @01:15AM

              by captain normal (2205) on Sunday July 29 2018, @01:15AM (#714172)

              Naw...The Russian are the old Russians, only with computers now.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 29 2018, @06:59AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 29 2018, @06:59AM (#714249)

            Russia has single-payer healthcare guaranteed by their constitution. Just sayin'

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Sulla on Saturday July 28 2018, @08:15PM

    by Sulla (5173) on Saturday July 28 2018, @08:15PM (#714083) Journal

    This is a Steve Bannon thing. He wanted regulation on social media/etc that kept them from selling your data. Iirc it was something along the lines of allowing you to opt in to selling your own data, but that you are the only one with the right to sell your data

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by captain normal on Saturday July 28 2018, @08:52PM (1 child)

    by captain normal (2205) on Saturday July 28 2018, @08:52PM (#714094)

    Just look at who they're talking to.
    "Facebook, Google, AT&T and Comcast have been involved....
    ....Information Technology Industry Council, a trade group representing companies such as Apple, Google and Facebook, and The Business Roundtable, a lobbying group that hosts tech CEOs like Apple's Tim Cook, IBM's Virginia Rometty and Verizon's Lowell McAdam."

    Do you think any of those parties have general populations welfare in mind? Plus they have already made up their mind: "... the Trump Administration aims to craft a consumer privacy protection policy that is the appropriate balance between privacy and prosperity".
    Do you think for a minute that they want to balance privacy laws in favor of most of the population rather than in favor of the big TelCos and Advertising companies?

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 29 2018, @09:34AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 29 2018, @09:34AM (#714271)

      I'm sure Trump's administration will treat privacy the same way they view the environment. As trump himself said "Sure we'll keep a little bit of it around, but it can't stand in the way of business."

      So basically it'll turn out that people will get whatever privacy rights business deems they should have. (Which will be shockingly few.)

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Snotnose on Saturday July 28 2018, @11:32PM

    by Snotnose (1623) on Saturday July 28 2018, @11:32PM (#714141)

    How many think Congress, no matter which party is in control, can actually put together legislation that will be halfway decent? I am dubious, especially as I can't afford a few grand to "donate" to various congresscritters.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 29 2018, @08:24PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 29 2018, @08:24PM (#714449)

    You have to consider the timing. It's coming this Fall. There are relatively important elections coming this November, and it looks like they're planning to release this just before them. They wouldn't be releasing it at that time if they planned to have anything in it that might be able to be seen as e.g. pandering to corporations. So it's going to at least be 'not bad.'

    In the worst case I'd expect a good bill with major loopholes. For instance if the bill requires that individuals must be able to query what information a company has collected from them and have that information deleted unless it's critical to the operation of the system, that leaves a huge whopping loophole. Generated metadata is derived from collected information, not collected information itself. You state in a post, "I like nachos." The company AI links your preferences to include nachos. You ask what information the company has collected from you. It includes that post. You request it deleted. Sure, they delete it - it's irrelevant now that the metadata has been generated. You request all personally identifiable information be deleted. They happily oblige, well - except for your phone number (which you either registered with, or setup as a two factor authentication device) and other personal details - those are critical to the operation of the system and, conveniently, also work as 100% certainty authenticators when companies trade and sell your information between each other to expand their profile of you.